Where did u find that?

This happened today in the afternoon at LEX, one of our planes.
http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Plane-skids-off-runway-at-Blue-Grass-Airport-no-injuries-reported-483125511.html

Pretty senior crew too, relatively. Here's what's going to be looked at in the investigation. IN MY OPINION:

Definitely METAR and radar
landing numbers criteria
briefing (TEM)
CRM
and somewhere down the line, landing technique.

It's always important to remember when commenting on this stuff that it can happen to any one of us. No one is immune from mishap and error. That is all.

COMPLETE SPECULATION, One article says they slid off runway 22 between A2 and A1. Must’ve been a slippery landing and I’m glad that whoever was flying it was there to prevent it from being much worse.

I’m not a “any landing you can walk away from is a good one” guy, but when $#!t hits the fan in the blink of an eye, and you prevent a plane from turning into a smoking pile of metal, and nobody gets hurt...let’s be thankful for that. We’ve had enough death in this company.

Anyone know why we lost the Holiday inn Express in DSM? I liked that place. You could walk or get a ride to a bunch of food, and the hotel was new and clean. Could walk to an imax theatre or downtown.

What was wrong with this place?

"We can say that, in reference to DSM, we are in final stages of selecting a new hotel, which we believe will result in a much higher level of pilot satisfaction."

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$3 per night rate increase. Contract was up and the company/API refused to accept a rate increase to renew the contract.

Shoutout to all the people who put in positive comments for it... came up in the Chief Pilot Newsletter as one of the most complimented hotels, so at least we tried.

The comment in the union email was referencing the new hotel, which was apparently awful...in a worse part of downtown not near food and right next to a hospital.

The new new hotel (selected due to all the negative feedback with the new hotel) is in West Des Moines and looks good and also walking distance to new food options and I imagine the shuttle will Take you to the mall since it’s on the way to the airport.

Probably a flight attendant got the one and only room without a fridge and microwave and complained. And then mentioned how there are hotels that are 45 seconds away and not a 15 minute drive

One day I'll work at an airline where we don't stay with FAs. Maybe.

You know, I thought I saw that in 25.k.i of the JCBA. Now that I read it again, that's totally not the point of that paragraph. My bad.

On average, any flexibility in the reserve grid for folks on the 900 in NYC in the left seat?

Absolutely none.

You can pick up flying, or you can be happy with min days off :P

That describes every reserve in the company...and every line holder other than the min days off part.... There is very very little flexibility in schedules once awarded other than if you want to pick up and its FAR legal, have at it.

Completely wrong! The hotel did not want our business now they are established and have plenty of business from full rate customers. We should have a couple of new hotels in DSM in the near future depending on the length of stay you will be downtown or near the airport.

Maybe that captain that wound up drunk and naked in a random family’s hotel room had something to do with it. Nah, couldn’t be.

Lol oh man. I was waiting for that response!

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Or maybe API is complete disaster. Are we the only airline that changes hotels so damn frequently? The sh!t has to stop!

We do seem to be constantly making the same changes as the Spirit flight attendants in BOS :rolleyes:

Our hotels suck so bad...
 

Is it the company or API to blame?
After a year and a half here I’m 100% fed up with the sh!tbox places they put us! We are business professionals and deserve to be treated as such, not just told we are the greatest blah blah blah all the time. I complain on the crew care form at least once if not more per week, and also leave a rare compliment when deserved.
I was an AWACer a few years ago and a Doubletree was about average, here some non branded dumpster in an industrial area with no food options is closer to average. Seems the hotel committee has zero say or they think this is a normal standard because “it used to be worse”.... At least the flight attendants have a microwave though. I also carry most of my own food but would much rather be in an area where I could actually enjoy my life on the road a tiny bit instead any day.

YES! Agree 1000%

As a fellow AWACer I agree with this statement 110%. The criteria for where they put us is pitiful. I can think of more hotels WITHOUT places to eat than with WITH them. They want us in hotels that accept flight crew yet at most of our own locations we are the only airline there Because everyone else stays up the road with things to do. Why not put us there then since they seem to have vans and accept crews. It was absolutely fantastic when I went though upgrade and was out at the Holiday Inn in Eagen. Having to eat out of a gas station everyday for 2 weeks really gets to you after a while. I got really tired of the nickel and diming fast and only staying at locations that appeal to the FAs because they are as close as possible to the airport And have a fridge. There needs to be contractual provisions that specify that there are at least 3-4 options for food/entertainment within reasonable walking distance. And a gas station and cafeteria like AVL don’t count. Put us up the road on the otherside of the interstate by the mall. That’s what AWAC had. Don’t make have to expense a taxi every time i want to go get a burger and fries.

Disagree and Agree...

The Sheratons, Alofts, Marriotts, Courtyards, Four Points, Indigos and Doubletrees we stay at are not “non branded dumpsters.” Most pilots would be happy to have their families stay there. They’re generally clean, comfortable, and well reviewed on trip advisor. There are a few exceptions... mostly of the LaQuinta, Hampton Inn or Country Inn and Suites variety that are unacceptable and must go..Usually they have that “needs a deep clean” feel or the gym is garbage. Maybe it’s different on the 200 but the 900 id put our average hotel at a Doubletree as well...

Agree with you 100% however need to be put in better locations for our overnights. These industrial or business park areas with no shuttle service because the hotel has an overpriced restaurant or a Waffle House across the street is 100% unacceptable. We either need to reduce the threshold for a downtown overnight to something more industry standard like 16 hours (20 hours is far below industry standard) or have language in our contract that assures us a hotel within walking distance of several (healthy; non fast food) restaurants. If every hotel could be like our hotel in Jacksonville the pilots would be much happier.

And do keep the crew care reports coming in! We successfully changed the buffalo hotel and the Des Moines hotel (changed the new one not the old one), and it looks like for the latter it was a positive change. Unfortunately our flight attendants seem to have a louder mouth than we do, so we need to speak up.

Additionally, please exercise your right for transportation to a suitable eating facility is one is not available at the hotel. If the hotel will not take you, expense a cab or Uber to the company. I’ve done this before and received zero questions.

Stayed at the Country Inn and Suites in Omaha a few days ago. It’s in an industrial park area as well. The hotel is nice, but the only thing nearby is a gentleman’s club, a subway, and a gas station. But you must walk approximately 1/2 mile along a very busy road with no sidewalks. To me that doesn’t seem suitable to only have one food option and unsafe walking conditions. I asked for the van driver to take me to the Old Market Square area. And I was told they needed to wait for a new driver to come in, and that it might be a while. WTF, do they not research these hotels before putting us in them? I did the hotel issues form, and there response was i was promised the shuttle during a period that it was unavailable. There were no airport pickups, so apparently there’s a gap between shuttle drivers. How is any of this acceptable? To me it’s a hassle to even ask for a ride, and more of a hassle to expense a taxi. The Aloft in JAX isn’t one of the nicest hotels, but it’s in a great area. I think we should have 3-4 food options in a safe area near all hotels we stay at. Additionally, I understand how it might be frustrating for those on short overnights. There needs to be separate criteria for over nights near 10 hours

Id say just expense the cost of an Uber or Taxi if the shuttle is not able to take you to a restaurant within 30 mins of when you ask... That seems reasonable.

It helps if a few folks stop acting like asses on overnights so the whole company won't get kicked out.

Mostly it's you immature young idiots out there, but some of you are older and just don't care. You know who you are. You seem to think that hotel overnights are "your time". Wrong. This ain't some spring break wild out party. Your actions at the hotel reflect on the company and affect more than just you. Act like a damn professional for a few days. You can go back to acting like an incompetent fool when you get home.

Can't help yourself? Buy your own hotel and stay there for overnights. Jerks.

For right now that’s a somewhat reasonable response. But we cannot go on with This “eat it and grieve it” attitude. Idk what everyone’s issue is with the hotel in JAX. It think it’s great, clean, new and nice and the area it’s in should be the same for all our hotels. If you’re gonna put us by the airport then at least something like TYS, that Hampton is great for being 5 minutes away. Lots of choices.

Really? I wasn't aware. Just a very intuitive nickname for our kind. I had to use the ol' "xx" trick to make it work here LOL

Or learn how to handle your alcohol or what your limits are.

Every time I overnight in the Tri Cities LaQuinta, I think about getting upset that we are staying in a LaQuinta in the middle of nowhere, but the staff is so friendly that I can’t bring myself to write a bad review.

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/05/23/delta-united-planes-clip-wings-at-burbank-airport-it-felt-like-hit-body.amp.html

So the pilot said the other aircraft may have been parked incorrectly so United plane was at fault.
Riiiiiigggght. Way to represent skywest.

And why is he running his mouth anyway?

18-03 is out

Anyone know how long they plan on keeping the seat locks off?

WTF is Delta up to? For at least 5 years we’ve been taunted with GoJet 700’s. Now on a GoJet thread they are saying Delta has just extended their contract 7 more years. Delta says 3 regionals, 46% of regional lift will be Endeavor. Then they do this. I’m at a loss trying to figure them out

Have you seen their performance numbers? They are doing fantastic. Well-oiled machine nowadays. Delta has no need to spend money to transfer aircraft. In light of the money they spent to fix up the EV birds, I doubt delta will want to transfer a fleet until next millennium.

Here’s what I want to know. Why does Delta MEC, or representative, attend our meetings? How long has this gone on? What’s the purpose? Flow? Staple? Nothing?

Oh, so let me get this straight. They pull them out of the New York market because they suck. Then move them to the Midwest market and reward them for doing better? Of course they would do better there. I don’t believe a single damn thing coming out of Delta regarding Endeavor regarding their plan for 3 regionals and Endeavor growth

Correct. They stuck them on routes they can work easily and do maintenance on. I still don’t know if that poster at GJ is accurate though. They claim they knew about since November. Uhhh I’m pretty sure someone would have said something already if that were true.

Even if true, does not matter. All the contracts are written so that DL has an out. NOBODY meets every hoop-jump in those contracts. NOBODY.

Until it’s official I don’t believe it. It’s a gojet thread after all. Why would they make such an announcement 6 monthes later?