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4myfamily 05-06-2018 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by SGRogue (Post 2586561)
Who said everyone needs training. If staying in same seat/aircraft and just changing base, 18-03 players can move 1 July. Thought we were ramping up ATL ops this summer. Guess not.

On a parallel note, no 900 FO TDYS to ATL next month. First time that has happened since Nov. put the two together and we ain’t growing as fast in ATL as first told.

The company can only TDY 3 months in a row into a base/plane/seat and then they have to do something different for 1 month ie TDY 900CAs out of Atlanta. I expect FO TDY from NYC to ATL to start back in July.

New hires are going NYC 900 because those are the only spots left from 18-02 for 900 FO. No conspiracy - just the company following part of the contract. I wish they would follow the entire contract!

flydiamond 05-07-2018 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by 4myfamily (Post 2587822)
The company can only TDY 3 months in a row into a base/plane/seat and then they have to do something different for 1 month ie TDY 900CAs out of Atlanta. I expect FO TDY from NYC to ATL to start back in July.

New hires are going NYC 900 because those are the only spots left from 18-02 for 900 FO. No conspiracy - just the company following part of the contract. I wish they would follow the entire contract!

Just a thought but if they’re TDY’ing ATL 900 CAs up to NYC while simultaneously not TDY’ing NYC 900 FOs to ATL, maybe they’re building some more ATL flying into the NYC pairings for June.

But if they’re planning to start TDYing down to ATL again in July, why not just open some vacancies down there in July? Seems cheaper for the company than constant TDYs.

KSCessnaDriver 05-07-2018 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2587931)
Just a thought but if they’re TDY’ing ATL 900 CAs up to NYC while simultaneously not TDY’ing NYC 900 FOs to ATL, maybe they’re building some more ATL flying into the NYC pairings for June.

But if they’re planning to start TDYing down to ATL again in July, why not just open some vacancies down there in July? Seems cheaper for the company than constant TDYs.

I’d imagine they know what’s coming and are using 18-03 more or less to be able to continue to place new hires somewhere. Otherwise it’s a small placeholder vacancy until something major is announced

prex8390 05-07-2018 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 2588003)
I’d imagine they know what’s coming and are using 18-03 more or less to be able to continue to place new hires somewhere. Otherwise it’s a small placeholder vacancy until something major is announced

My thoughts exactly. Not every vacancy is not gonna be some big brand shift of movement in the company. We do have new hires coming aboard still in case people forgot.

1337pilot 05-07-2018 11:22 AM

What's interesting is it appears they have lowered the minimums to 950 hours for even the 900 CA positions which wasn't the case on 18-02. Anyone have any data on how many CA qualified FOs we even have? Because it seems they're getting even more desperate for CAs.
I'm hoping the 12 NYC 200 CA spots go to new hires wanting to jump into the left seat right away, and I don't get a bunch of guys above me deciding to upgrade all of a sudden taking the 33 900 spots and getting stuck with a seat lock in that hot underpowered bucket for bolts for a year.

PotatoChip 05-07-2018 11:37 AM

Are reserve captains being used more on the 200 or 900??

MTlife 05-07-2018 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by 1337pilot (Post 2588293)
What's interesting is it appears they have lowered the minimums to 950 hours for even the 900 CA positions which wasn't the case on 18-02. Anyone have any data on how many CA qualified FOs we even have? Because it seems they're getting even more desperate for CAs.
I'm hoping the 12 NYC 200 CA spots go to new hires wanting to jump into the left seat right away, and I don't get a bunch of guys above me deciding to upgrade all of a sudden taking the 33 900 spots and getting stuck with a seat lock in that hot underpowered bucket for bolts for a year.

The 950 hours is just for purposes of awarding someone a captain position. Prior to 18-02 in order to be awarded a captain position you had to have the full 1,000 hours of 121 time. This does not mean that they are reducing the quals for the 900, you won't know till the initial award comes out but previous trends have shown that only the 200 have reduced quals but we will see.

1337pilot 05-07-2018 02:54 PM


Originally Posted by MTlife (Post 2588450)
The 950 hours is just for purposes of awarding someone a captain position. Prior to 18-02 in order to be awarded a captain position you had to have the full 1,000 hours of 121 time. This does not mean that they are reducing the quals for the 900, you won't know till the initial award comes out but previous trends have shown that only the 200 have reduced quals but we will see.

You're right, just went back and looked at 18-02 and it had the exact same wording, but in the end they only reduced the time for 200 NYC CA.

HeyOneTaco 05-07-2018 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2588312)
Are reserve captains being used more on the 200 or 900??

From what I’ve seen yes

prex8390 05-08-2018 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by HeyOneTaco (Post 2588666)
From what I’ve seen yes

You’ll still be pretty busy on the 900 if you’re New York based. I credited 95-100+ credit hours there regularly. It’s been hit and miss in ATL, more like 85-95 credit hours, with a lot of ready reserve thrown in too, can’t speak for Minneapolis or Detroit.

PotatoChip 05-08-2018 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by prex8390 (Post 2588857)
You’ll still be pretty busy on the 900 if you’re New York based. I credited 95-100+ credit hours there regularly. It’s been hit and miss in ATL, more like 85-95 credit hours, with a lot of ready reserve thrown in too, can’t speak for Minneapolis or Detroit.

Thank you. I’m 200CA NYC, but think I might possibly get 900CA on 18-03. Just curious how much difference there was in flying.

TalkTurkey 05-08-2018 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by PotatoChip (Post 2589015)
Thank you. I’m 200CA NYC, but think I might possibly get 900CA on 18-03. Just curious how much difference there was in flying.

It's hit or miss. They pour money on 200 CAs yet they just parked two of them. 200 CAs that are lineholders can make much more credits than a 900 RSV CA in NYC. I'll bet my Gophers tickets.

preflight 05-09-2018 12:03 PM

Sign, sign everywhere a sigh...
 
Encouraging:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ses-new-pilots

What's the current 9E hiring/signing bonus at the moment?

KelvinHelmholtz 05-09-2018 12:04 PM


Originally Posted by preflight (Post 2590108)
Encouraging:

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...ses-new-pilots

What's the current 9E hiring/signing bonus at the moment?

10,000 paid out at the completion of training (IOE)

EchoNiner5 05-10-2018 05:46 AM

Has the union contemplated negotiating for commuter hotels? Seems to work for some other regionals. I hear a lot of complaints of un-commutable trips, it seems like it would be a nice benefit. Or would it lead just lead to no commutable trips?

Avrogod 05-10-2018 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by EchoNiner5 (Post 2590610)
Has the union contemplated negotiating for commuter hotels? Seems to work for some other regionals. I hear a lot of complaints of un-commutable trips, it seems like it would be a nice benefit. Or would it lead just lead to no commutable trips?

Last time in RGS this question was asked and they said they put all their emphasis on putting the money into the rates. The pilot can decide what they use that money on, whether it be hotels or something else.

flydiamond 05-10-2018 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by Avrogod (Post 2590652)
Last time in RGS this question was asked and they said they put all their emphasis on putting the money into the rates. The pilot can decide what they use that money on, whether it be hotels or something else.

Is there any regional out there where the commuter hotels are a contractual benefit versus a recruitment tool?

I’d personally prefer they spend the negotiating capital on maximizing block per duty period and making the trips more commutable. That benefits everyone whether they live in base or not.

Avrogod 05-10-2018 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2590660)
Is there any regional out there where the commuter hotels are a contractual benefit versus a recruitment tool?

I’d personally prefer they spend the negotiating capital on maximizing block per duty period and making the trips more commutable. That benefits everyone whether they live in base or not.


Given the impact of firebreaks I anticipate they'll use capital on rigs over hotels given the reasons you just stated.

Casualinterest 05-10-2018 08:49 AM

Per diem people! With the tax law changes we are gonna eat that loss of per diem difference. Per diem needs to be at 2.15 per hour to offset what we lost in the tax law. The company more than makes up for it with the reduction of corporate tax rates

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flydiamond 05-10-2018 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 2590797)
Per diem people! With the tax law changes we are gonna eat that loss of per diem difference. Per diem needs to be at 2.15 per hour to offset what we lost in the tax law. The company more than makes up for it with the reduction of corporate tax rates

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This! Filler

msprj2 05-10-2018 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 2590797)
Per diem people! With the tax law changes we are gonna eat that loss of per diem difference. Per diem needs to be at 2.15 per hour to offset what we lost in the tax law. The company more than makes up for it with the reduction of corporate tax rates

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Yes or just cut everybody a check!

Flogger 05-10-2018 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Casualinterest (Post 2590797)
Per diem people! With the tax law changes we are gonna eat that loss of per diem difference. Per diem needs to be at 2.15 per hour to offset what we lost in the tax law. The company more than makes up for it with the reduction of corporate tax rates

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The higher individual deduction more than covers that.

Boats and Hos 05-10-2018 01:07 PM

Promises
 
A lot of people, especially ExpressJet people, were really hoping for the super base of Atlanta. That now seems to have been dropped. A few 5am shows to sit at LGA on airport reserve will cure a lot of people of coming to EDV. Again, there is no real career progression. Fast upgrades but that is on the 200 and you will be on reserve for two years, at least, and in New York. It's hell AND expensive. As far as the EMB170/175s, those promises have been made for a few years it seems. Then right at the last minute, oh no, they're not coming. The April fools "flow" was only to close to reality. The continued rumor of all these 700s may or may not be true. They keep dangling these carrots to attract and retain people because I believe if things do not improve there really is no reason to stay. Talk to the real senior people, they have been hearing all these things for years and years.

The culture has become a bit stale too. There are lots of grievances and lots of fatigue reports, mostly due firebreaks, being rejected. It is not part of the "Core" principles, the current state of affairs. I thought the new contract was supposed to bring peace and harmony but it seems to have brought micro management, god do they micro manage everything to death, and uneasiness.

The regionals are what they are BUT go with a flow. If you are going to be beat over the head and abused and have to spend time, a lot of time, in New York, you might as well have something for your investment. This is just my experience and opinion.

flydiamond 05-10-2018 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Flogger (Post 2590996)
The higher individual deduction more than covers that.

No, it really doesn’t. Don’t want to start a political debate but when you consider the fact that the personal exemption was removed ($4000); the $6,000 larger Standard deduction in 2018 is only $2000 larger. Since the per diem write off, especially when traveling to major cities, is quite lucrative per day (upwards of $20 write off), it doesn’t take too many days away from base to get above $2000 from the meals and incidentals write off alone. This is especially true to anyone who has TDY’d, which has become involuntary for some of our pilots in 2018. Add to that the other deductions that are gone (Eg dry cleaning, headsets and uniforms, logbook subscriptions) and the new tax system is a major loss for our profession.

flydiamond 05-10-2018 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2591026)
A lot of people, especially ExpressJet people, were really hoping for the super base of Atlanta. That now seems to have been dropped. A few 5am shows to sit at LGA on airport reserve will cure a lot of people of coming to EDV. Again, there is no real career progression. Fast upgrades but that is on the 200 and you will be on reserve for two years, at least, and in New York. It's hell AND expensive. As far as the EMB170/175s, those promises have been made for a few years it seems. Then right at the last minute, oh no, they're not coming. The April fools "flow" was only to close to reality. The continued rumor of all these 700s may or may not be true. They keep dangling these carrots to attract and retain people because I believe if things do not improve there really is no reason to stay. Talk to the real senior people, they have been hearing all these things for years and years.

The culture has become a bit stale too. There are lots of grievances and lots of fatigue reports, mostly due firebreaks, being rejected. It is not part of the "Core" principles, the current state of affairs. I thought the new contract was supposed to bring peace and harmony but it seems to have brought micro management, god do they micro manage everything to death, and uneasiness.

The regionals are what they are BUT go with a flow. If you are going to be beat over the head and abused and have to spend time, a lot of time, in New York, you might as well have something for your investment. This is just my experience and opinion.

May I ask why you don’t just move over to Envoy then? Your attitude is toxic and does not represent the positive attitudes I encounter out on the line.

KelvinHelmholtz 05-10-2018 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2591026)
A lot of people, especially ExpressJet people, were really hoping for the super base of Atlanta. That now seems to have been dropped. A few 5am shows to sit at LGA on airport reserve will cure a lot of people of coming to EDV. Again, there is no real career progression. Fast upgrades but that is on the 200 and you will be on reserve for two years, at least, and in New York. It's hell AND expensive. As far as the EMB170/175s, those promises have been made for a few years it seems. Then right at the last minute, oh no, they're not coming. The April fools "flow" was only to close to reality. The continued rumor of all these 700s may or may not be true. They keep dangling these carrots to attract and retain people because I believe if things do not improve there really is no reason to stay. Talk to the real senior people, they have been hearing all these things for years and years.

The culture has become a bit stale too. There are lots of grievances and lots of fatigue reports, mostly due firebreaks, being rejected. It is not part of the "Core" principles, the current state of affairs. I thought the new contract was supposed to bring peace and harmony but it seems to have brought micro management, god do they micro manage everything to death, and uneasiness.

The regionals are what they are BUT go with a flow. If you are going to be beat over the head and abused and have to spend time, a lot of time, in New York, you might as well have something for your investment. This is just my experience and opinion.

Boats and Hos yet again wins the award for most useless post of the day. Anyone coming in as a street captain knows they are going to be on reserve for a long time.

Culture has become a bit stale? The only degradation in the culture at endeavor has been from negative attitudes brought by pilots who came here from other airlines like yourself.

1337pilot 05-10-2018 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2591026)
A lot of people, especially ExpressJet people, were really hoping for the super base of Atlanta. That now seems to have been dropped. A few 5am shows to sit at LGA on airport reserve will cure a lot of people of coming to EDV. Again, there is no real career progression. Fast upgrades but that is on the 200 and you will be on reserve for two years, at least, and in New York. It's hell AND expensive. As far as the EMB170/175s, those promises have been made for a few years it seems. Then right at the last minute, oh no, they're not coming. The April fools "flow" was only to close to reality. The continued rumor of all these 700s may or may not be true. They keep dangling these carrots to attract and retain people because I believe if things do not improve there really is no reason to stay. Talk to the real senior people, they have been hearing all these things for years and years.

The culture has become a bit stale too. There are lots of grievances and lots of fatigue reports, mostly due firebreaks, being rejected. It is not part of the "Core" principles, the current state of affairs. I thought the new contract was supposed to bring peace and harmony but it seems to have brought micro management, god do they micro manage everything to death, and uneasiness.

The regionals are what they are BUT go with a flow. If you are going to be beat over the head and abused and have to spend time, a lot of time, in New York, you might as well have something for your investment. This is just my experience and opinion.

The time to have gotten here was in 2016 or before. If you got here then you would be able to hold a 900 upgrade and have people junior to you. If you go to be a street CA anywhere you're gonna get the most undesirable equipment in the most undesirable base. I think we will get the 700s at least and do more ATL flying. But it will go a little more senior. NYC will always be the junior base and I think we will end up taking back all the Skywest flying thats planned here because they're gonna jack it up. The 175s yeah, i'll believe it when I see it on property.

aviationfrk 05-10-2018 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by 1337pilot (Post 2591078)
The time to have gotten here was in 2016 or before. If you got here then you would be able to hold a 900 upgrade and have people junior to you. If you go to be a street CA anywhere you're gonna get the most undesirable equipment in the most undesirable base. I think we will get the 700s at least and do more ATL flying. But it will go a little more senior. NYC will always be the junior base and I think we will end up taking back all the Skywest flying thats planned here because they're gonna jack it up. The 175s yeah, i'll believe it when I see it on property.

2014 and 2015 hires are the "golden children" for the hiring wave. 2016 is good also but slowly tapers off towards the end. I'm a first half 2016 hire and hold a 200 CA line in ATL or NYC. 900 anywhere would be deep reserve for me. To anyone reading and considering EDV BoatHo doesn't represent the greater majority of the pilots but he does offer some valid points for people joining now. Most everyone I fly with myself included have good things to say.

flydiamond 05-10-2018 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by aviationfrk (Post 2591082)
2014 and 2015 hires are the "golden children" for the hiring wave. 2016 is good also but slowly tapers off towards the end. I'm a first half 2016 hire and hold a 200 CA line in ATL or NYC. 900 anywhere would be deep reserve for me. To anyone reading and considering EDV BoatHo doesn't represent the greater majority of the pilots but he does offer some valid points for people joining now. Most everyone I fly with myself included have good things to say.

Early 2017 hires are also doing really well in ATL 200 CA...I believe They are holding lines. Whether or not that will stick as 2016 FOs upgrade is to be seen...depends on what is or isn’t announced in the next few months. All communication from the company points to growth in 2019 and our fleet growing by about 20% along with the 3 regionals for all DC feed.

prex8390 05-10-2018 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2591026)
A lot of people, especially ExpressJet people, were really hoping for the super base of Atlanta. That now seems to have been dropped. A few 5am shows to sit at LGA on airport reserve will cure a lot of people of coming to EDV. Again, there is no real career progression. Fast upgrades but that is on the 200 and you will be on reserve for two years, at least, and in New York. It's hell AND expensive. As far as the EMB170/175s, those promises have been made for a few years it seems. Then right at the last minute, oh no, they're not coming. The April fools "flow" was only to close to reality. The continued rumor of all these 700s may or may not be true. They keep dangling these carrots to attract and retain people because I believe if things do not improve there really is no reason to stay. Talk to the real senior people, they have been hearing all these things for years and years.

The culture has become a bit stale too. There are lots of grievances and lots of fatigue reports, mostly due firebreaks, being rejected. It is not part of the "Core" principles, the current state of affairs. I thought the new contract was supposed to bring peace and harmony but it seems to have brought micro management, god do they micro manage everything to death, and uneasiness.

The regionals are what they are BUT go with a flow. If you are going to be beat over the head and abused and have to spend time, a lot of time, in New York, you might as well have something for your investment. This is just my experience and opinion.

You realize you’re preaching to the choir that is yourself with your weekly nonsense ramblings here. You’d think we were flying in some 3rd world country or something with the way you make your experience to be here. We all have things we want improved but my god. There’s people over at Air Wisconsin right now watching 20+ flights a day being cancelled and handed over to other carriers for lack of staffing while the Ones that are being staffed are guys that are currently in double digits junior mans for the year and it’s only May. I get you’re commuting probably for the first time in your life and you had a comfortable life over at expressjet, but life comes at you fast. I get you want Atlanta bad, but don’t blame Endeavor, we do what daddy D says. There is major changes in the regional feed happening right now, and more to come; Delta just isn’t gonna hand over aircraft left and right, this isn’t some carrot and stick to get people to come here, in case you didn’t notice our classes are full. It takes time, and paperwork to get aircraft shifted around the fleet. Endeavor had a nice working group that’s actively being poisoned by this kind of nonsense.

So I say grow up or leave for another carrier or find a job outside of flying. Or show any proof at all of your nonsense ramblings. You claim we are micromanaged to death yet I haven’t talked to anyone who’s ever even used that word to describe working here. Ever. If you’re getting calls/talks on the reg from management. You probably deserve it.

seminolepilot 05-10-2018 07:53 PM

So when is the company going to figure out that the “firebreaks” aren’t mitigating delays? This is the second time I’ve had two sits for several hours in the same day and came close to timing out due to a one of the flights being delayed.

HighFlight 05-10-2018 09:36 PM

Tell everyone again.... when are you leaving, since EDV sucks so bad in your opinion?


Originally Posted by Boats and Hos (Post 2591026)
A lot of people, especially ExpressJet people, were really hoping for the super base of Atlanta. That now seems to have been dropped. A few 5am shows to sit at LGA on airport reserve will cure a lot of people of coming to EDV. Again, there is no real career progression. Fast upgrades but that is on the 200 and you will be on reserve for two years, at least, and in New York. It's hell AND expensive. As far as the EMB170/175s, those promises have been made for a few years it seems. Then right at the last minute, oh no, they're not coming. The April fools "flow" was only to close to reality. The continued rumor of all these 700s may or may not be true. They keep dangling these carrots to attract and retain people because I believe if things do not improve there really is no reason to stay. Talk to the real senior people, they have been hearing all these things for years and years.

The culture has become a bit stale too. There are lots of grievances and lots of fatigue reports, mostly due firebreaks, being rejected. It is not part of the "Core" principles, the current state of affairs. I thought the new contract was supposed to bring peace and harmony but it seems to have brought micro management, god do they micro manage everything to death, and uneasiness.

The regionals are what they are BUT go with a flow. If you are going to be beat over the head and abused and have to spend time, a lot of time, in New York, you might as well have something for your investment. This is just my experience and opinion.


HighFlight 05-10-2018 09:48 PM

Only people who could itemize in 2017 could take advantage of the per diem deduction. Even less people in 2018 would qualify for said deduction due to the $2-4K standard deduction increase.

Who pays for dry cleaning today, when polyester can be washed? How many headsets do you buy? Uniforms are provided for free. Logbooks are free (no requirement to pay for them, so hard to justify claiming them on taxes).

But the real gain is in the lowered tax rate throughout the year, so your take home pay is higher each month, unless you make enough to keep you in the higher tax brackets. Even at $180K, you should be taking home more each month.


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2591039)
No, it really doesn’t. Don’t want to start a political debate but when you consider the fact that the personal exemption was removed ($4000); the $6,000 larger Standard deduction in 2018 is only $2000 larger. Since the per diem write off, especially when traveling to major cities, is quite lucrative per day (upwards of $20 write off), it doesn’t take too many days away from base to get above $2000 from the meals and incidentals write off alone. This is especially true to anyone who has TDY’d, which has become involuntary for some of our pilots in 2018. Add to that the other deductions that are gone (Eg dry cleaning, headsets and uniforms, logbook subscriptions) and the new tax system is a major loss for our profession.


Flogger 05-11-2018 04:01 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2591039)
No, it really doesn’t. Don’t want to start a political debate but when you consider the fact that the personal exemption was removed ($4000); the $6,000 larger Standard deduction in 2018 is only $2000 larger. Since the per diem write off, especially when traveling to major cities, is quite lucrative per day (upwards of $20 write off), it doesn’t take too many days away from base to get above $2000 from the meals and incidentals write off alone. This is especially true to anyone who has TDY’d, which has become involuntary for some of our pilots in 2018. Add to that the other deductions that are gone (Eg dry cleaning, headsets and uniforms, logbook subscriptions) and the new tax system is a major loss for our profession.

Unless you run smack into the AMT, eliminating the benefit. Helped with state, but now that's moot too.

msprj2 05-11-2018 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by flydiamond (Post 2591039)
No, it really doesn’t. Don’t want to start a political debate but when you consider the fact that the personal exemption was removed ($4000); the $6,000 larger Standard deduction in 2018 is only $2000 larger. Since the per diem write off, especially when traveling to major cities, is quite lucrative per day (upwards of $20 write off), it doesn’t take too many days away from base to get above $2000 from the meals and incidentals write off alone. This is especially true to anyone who has TDY’d, which has become involuntary for some of our pilots in 2018. Add to that the other deductions that are gone (Eg dry cleaning, headsets and uniforms, logbook subscriptions) and the new tax system is a major loss for our profession.

Union Dues tax deduction is gone also

Green Needles 05-11-2018 04:37 AM

Facebook group has rumblings of pay now being tied to forward wheel movement.

flydiamond 05-11-2018 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 2591419)
Facebook group has rumblings of pay now being tied to forward wheel movement.

My suspicion is some people just don’t know to read the memos and company communications. Rainmaker has been accurately reflecting block pay for me. All it takes is one guy who didn’t read the memos to check fc view after not working for the last 3 weeks and see the forward motion time in there and think that’s when the pay starts (and have a crew scheduler who doesn’t know about pay say it’s right). They’ve said numerous times pay is based on block.

Green Needles 05-11-2018 06:09 AM

"Just a quick rundown on the new time clock. Today we pushed and sat for an hour without firing the engines. When we finally did start the engines and move to the runway and departed we got the message for wheel movement. Upon arriving in LGA I checked my schedule and it showed we departed an hour after we pushed. Called CS and they showed the same thing. Long story short I called the dispatcher and was handed off a few times and finally got it resolved for us. Come to find out they said that our pay was being started upon wheel movement and not when the door was shut and brakes released. This has been happening for the past week. This still has not reflected in rainmaker but they said they would fix it. So watch your time and pay especially in a delayed movement of the airplane. We are talking about a hour and half of pay not reflecting. You probably wouldn’t notice something like that sitting for 10 mins."

Here's the cut and paste from over there. I'm curious if anyone else is experiencing the same.

KSCessnaDriver 05-11-2018 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 2591480)
"Just a quick rundown on the new time clock. Today we pushed and sat for an hour without firing the engines. When we finally did start the engines and move to the runway and departed we got the message for wheel movement. Upon arriving in LGA I checked my schedule and it showed we departed an hour after we pushed. Called CS and they showed the same thing. Long story short I called the dispatcher and was handed off a few times and finally got it resolved for us. Come to find out they said that our pay was being started upon wheel movement and not when the door was shut and brakes released. This has been happening for the past week. This still has not reflected in rainmaker but they said they would fix it. So watch your time and pay especially in a delayed movement of the airplane. We are talking about a hour and half of pay not reflecting. You probably wouldn’t notice something like that sitting for 10 mins."

Here's the cut and paste from over there. I'm curious if anyone else is experiencing the same.

Yet another reason to fly the 200...

DL31082 05-11-2018 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Green Needles (Post 2591480)
"Just a quick rundown on the new time clock. Today we pushed and sat for an hour without firing the engines. When we finally did start the engines and move to the runway and departed we got the message for wheel movement. Upon arriving in LGA I checked my schedule and it showed we departed an hour after we pushed. Called CS and they showed the same thing. Long story short I called the dispatcher and was handed off a few times and finally got it resolved for us. Come to find out they said that our pay was being started upon wheel movement and not when the door was shut and brakes released. This has been happening for the past week. This still has not reflected in rainmaker but they said they would fix it. So watch your time and pay especially in a delayed movement of the airplane. We are talking about a hour and half of pay not reflecting. You probably wouldn’t notice something like that sitting for 10 mins."

Here's the cut and paste from over there. I'm curious if anyone else is experiencing the same.

It doesn’t matter what your schedule says. What does rainmaker say? And yes they can be different.


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