It has gotten worse over the last two years or so, once we were no longer needed and classes were consistently full. Kept in the dark, treated like children. Do this and that and make your announcements.

Nobody is getting lectured for not wearing the hat or making gate PAs.

BUT - this latest memo about receiving yet another nuisance ACARS message is cringeworthy. I feel like I can barely even talk on the radio without CELL CALL blaring in the background with nuisance messages. My personal favorite is the message about how it’s D-10 and we should start the APU. Well, what if the APU is deferred? What ever shall we do? And when it isn’t, I am quite certain that it has already been started so the cabin isn’t 33C.

Far cry from the "don't send ACARS messages, it costs us money"

Endeavor must have upgraded to unlimited family plan with Delta!

Mine
 

My fav is making a PA and having "Selcal, Selcal" blaring in the background.

The ACARS messages are not only a nuisance but a distraction from our primary task of just flying the aircraft. It will stop when there is an incident or accident. The FAA should stop these things but maybe they don't know. This is in addition to the "Creative" way they are getting around the FARs with regards to scheduling and this latest missive about what constitutes flight time.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

It was worse when we were getting “Delayed 20 minutes, please make a PA” ACARS messages on the take off roll. That was dangerous. Thankfully they fixed those. The 10 minute messages are just a delightful nuisance in comparison.

What’s your beef with the crew room memo? The policy is at least a year and a half old (maybe more), so if they put it out again, then it’s probably because crews are violating the policy. When people screw up, something has to be done about it.

Follow the rules on not sleeping there after hours, and you will have nothing to worry about. If people cannot budget for a hotel room every now and again, then perhaps they are in the wrong profession. It’s not like we are making $20K anymore.

Tallked with a guy during recurrent...said he was replying "copy" to the Apu nag message. He has interesting replys from dispatch asking "copy what"

My issue
 

We are adults and spend a lot of time in a 500 MPH tiny tube and this year, some of the worst weather in a long time. There is no reason to talk to us that way and treat us like children. The culture was suppose to improve with the recent contract but there it is again, that threatening tone. It's embarrassing and quite frankly pathetic. Not everyone is in their 20s and has to be spanked all the time to remind us who's the boss. Also, not everyone, THE FLIGHT ATTENDANTS for instance, make a ton of money to find expensive rooms in NY especially during IROPS. I am not saying it's ok to stay in the crew room overnight, I am saying there is no need to hit us over the head when all are all working really hard especially in the new co-base of NYC. Btw, I hope the flight attendants are smart enough not to sign a co-base agreement.

*selcal selcal*

ROTATE. PLEASE CONFIRM YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE

There's a difference between finishing super late in NYC and trying to catch the 6am home, and using the rest room as a crashpad. I'd imagine part of it is liability and safety of having people in overnight, but there's a balance.

Cobase isn't the problem, schedulers are. Only airline with an NYC hub that doesn't have a cobase is republic and soon to be Skywest. Now if they try to add EWR into the mix...

What are the schedulers doing that causes codomicile to be an issue? I haven’t had any problems yet

I agree, I can’t put my finger on anything in particular. But I feel the overall tone is more pricky lately. I’m not ready to say it’s a permanent culture change for the worse though. Maybe everyone is just getting burnt out from IROP after IROP lately? In regards to people sleeping in the crew rooms, I agree, if used on an emergency basis it shouldn’t be a big deal. But it only takes a few people to ruin it for everyone. I’ve never witnessed it first hand, but at times all the cots and chairs were full. People called it the red blanket inn. And there were stories of crew members walking around in their pajamas and slippers. Not a good image for the company if that’s true and someone gets ahold of it. I would imagine that’s what they’re trying to protect.

Funny thing Bro
Your moniker makes you sound like a teenager. Obviously people aren’t obeying the rules and other crew members are complaining. That’s their right.

Didn't one of the Colgan accident pilots spend the night before the event in the crewroom?

In addition to not wanting it to be a hotel, I would think there is also probably a legal reason not to have crew over-nighting in company break rooms. That said, I was non-reving through JFK a while back, and got stuck there pretty late, so I wound up spending the night in the crewroom waiting for a 6am flight. **** happens.

Is there any cell phone provider that has good service in JFK? Verizon seems to suck outside in JFK/LGA/ATL, just wondered if they all do poorly as well?

Att is junk at the gates. In the terminal it's alright.

Budget for a hotel? Like 2-3 times a month. Either way you look at it..300/month is substantial. If LGA authority didn’t give a rats arse about crashing in the crew-room it wouldn’t be discussed....and to the person who referenced the colgan crash because of sleeping in the crew room. Nope that was bad airmanship. Sorry truth hurts.

Substantial? Sure. And yet, thousands upon thousands of professional pilots do it every day/month across the US. It may not be easy, but it’s the rule.

Imagine if banks had employees sleeping in the back, or Walmart employees, or your local supermarket. It’s a workplace, not a place to sleep.

While I agree with your entire post, I’d like to remind you of the ruckus the press and the family’s of the Colgan crash made once it was made public that pilots were sleeping in the crew room. In fact, that crash was probably the biggest reason for the new FAR117 rest rules. Yes, sometimes a short stay in the crew room makes sense if your last leg gets in late and your commute home is 6 hours away. Beats spending $$$ for 4 hours in a hotel. But even people that can afford it offen take advantage of it because they’re cheap. Get a crash pad if you find yourself stuck often. It makes the rest of us look bad.

Truth hurts....lol no.

If there was another incident, and the media found out that crews were still sleeping in the crewroom, the fallout for the company.....

FAR117, the Colgan crash families, Congress, etc, no one cares about the truth in the wake of "doing something"

yea I've done it exactly once in this same exact scenario. It happens. If the one off was the norm we wouldn't be hearing about it, but I have known people that straight up live there. Ruined it for everyone

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Port Authority of NY was making a big fuss is my understanding, other bases were getting it to not "single out" the NY base. It was probably also because only saying not to use NY would be seen as endorsing doing it in the others.

I'm not on property anymore, so I only know what was happening before I left, but that's how the sleeping in crew rooms thing started.

T-Mobile has a dead zone that starts halfway down the jetway. It's amazing how accurate it is.

Same with Att. 5 bars In the terminal. No service sitting or 1 bar sitting in the plane. Nothing like having to strand in the jetway if you need to make a phone call to dispatch.

Who said anything about me?

In mainline news, you can add to the fodder of aviation bollocking, you know landing on taxiways, wrong airports in a state-of-the -art airbus, etc. last month a 717 attempted a take off from DTW with only one engine running.

They are taking this fuel savings business serious at the mother ship huh...

Haha all about the profit sharing

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I agree with you

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Crash-pads in NYC are illegal and are slowly being shut down. This too should be of concern but the company just looks away. I am wondering if our POI/the FAA, are aware of some of the things that go on-STILL!. If another accident were to happen there would be a lot of explaining to do. EVERYONE SHOULD FILL OUT FCRs AND FATIGUE REPORTS WHETHER OR NOT YOU CALL IN. Data is important if something were to happen. They always try to blame the pilot's.

Didn't Sully testify about some of the regional airline SELCLAL SELCAL Oops, as I as writing this another non essential message came over the speaker, Sully-about regional airline practices?

The aircraft movement OOOI Mombo #5 is not what the FAR about flight time is about. So, can I sit at a spot after being disconnected for, HOW LONG? What if I move a foot? What if I taxi a few feet to de-ice and wait there for an hour or more.

Accidents happen for a number of reasons not just one. Remember the Swiss Cheese model. I know it's a touchy subject BUT, commuting and crew rooms, still going on today, were part of that accident and lead to FAR 117 and better fatigue awareness. And fatigue is a shared responsibility but try telling that to the base Chiefs or Schedulers.

So every time someone sleeps in a crash pad they should call out fatigued? My god. The ones that are being shut down are owned by a handful of slum lords who own then for his own profit and are not even in the industry. Art for example. That guy is a cockroach.

This job isn’t perfect, but airlines don’t make people commute and they’re not about to shell out unlimited hotels for commuters or open bases in every out station. I get it, commuting to reserve sucks, I do it myself but it gets better and you just have to hold onto the fact that you’re a commuter and that’s how it is. I can tell maybe this industry isn’t for you.

Please read
 

Please read the post before making comments. I've been doing this long enough to know what fatigue is and isn't. Maybe the industry isn't for you because you need to have a reading comprehension Prix. Oops sorry, PREX. Sentence structure too.

Cheers to S3A coming on 04/10/2018 :D

Finally! Some of us could sure use it!

Maybe now only half of my DTW/MSP commutes will be two leggers!

I never had much luck with that commute. Especially in the summer. I don’t remember how many were S3B though? I don’t think there were too many. That’s just a rough one.

I know the guy that invented the A-Ok sign!

Well, S3A is alive and well! Just listed ahead of about 20 S3B folks. Very nice indeed to be able to get to work. Thank you ALPA and EDV for making it happen.

Dare I say I’m oddly excited to commute tomorrow and see how it goes...

You? Excited? Stop the madness! :eek:

Just messin' man. It is nice. Last month my spouse got stuck overseas an extra 5 days due to all the S3B folks. This is definitely a welcome change.

I would advise everyone to be ready for smart arse remarks from the S3B crowd. Don’t engage. It will sink in. I already overheard a retiree complaining this am. They AREN’T EVEN DETLAS!