This is 100% accurate what the AA pilot said. AA can deny pilots based on discipline. Too many MAs/sick calls or other discipline issues will keep you from flowing. The 824 only has a CA requirement but the rest of us have to be good boys and girls.

 

The Protected Pilot group doesn't have the CA requirement nor does it have the "no open disciplinary issues" clause. That's all for those hired after 10/2011. But regardless, I think the OP was implying that an AA pilot assumed that AAG can stop the flow whenever they want for any reason they want.

 

What? How is that at all accurate

After the 824 comes the protected pilots and being "good boys and girls" has absolutely no impact. And then for the rest after the 824 and after the protected pilots AND if you get disciplined for attendance they could hold you back. But there is nothing said that after 800 more flows it they can say "no." I have no idea where that's coming from, because it's not true.

 

Ok I'm not a PP so I'm not as informed on your rules as my group.

Regardless, AA can deny the OP the chance to flow. Without question the OP does not have a guaranteed spot at AA.

I'm half drunk and even I can understand what he was asking about. Sky vector and everyone else on here is just a bit to trigger happy to defend the flow. And yes we all know AA can shut the flow down when ever they so desire even if we have it written on a piece of paper. As the old saying goes fly it and grieve it.

 

I suppose they can do whatever and stop the flow and grieve it and all. Are we really going to argue every point of what they could vs could not do, and what's possible vs not...of course not!

The op asked if they can or will/could just stop the flow at 800 or so? The answer is NO. Right now is the 824, then protected pilots...no one can be held back for discipline (outside being fired) in those groups. Then the rest, who can be held back on an individual bases for letters of discipline. There is NO WHERE saying that at magical number 800 (or any other number) they can just say no more flows or anything like that. That was the question.

And to answer him (or any other new hire/candidate), as long as AA hires you flow...plain and simple. I guess as long as you don't have disciplinary letters in your file, it's not guess work. Be patient and wait your turn and it'll come (again assuming they're hiring, which is what all future hiring at all airlines is projected upon).

 

Facts:
1. Contractually AA has to flow a certain number of Envoy pilots per month as long as AA hires.
2. The OP can be denied the flow if he has disciplinary issues at Envoy.

 

Do they stop all the mandatory retirement if the economy goes down? I doubt it.

 

You may want to talk to a Union rep and get some actual facts. You seem to have been led into the bushes by someone.

 

No, but they start to cut capacity which reduces mainline flying which reduces the need for pilots even with attrition.

Haven't been in the biz that long have you.

 

As opposed to who? A crusty America West guy who won the lottery and can now call himself an AA pilot?

Thanks for Scott Kirby...boy was he fun.