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Pedro4President 05-04-2017 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by LivnthedrM (Post 2356846)
Has the upgrade time actually come down this much or was this a new hire who was able to take advantage of senior FO's passing up the upgrade?

Yes but all FOs could take first available upgrade and the upgrade time would still drop. The amount of hiring and attrition we have is what's causing the upgrade time to drop. People bypassing/waiting for the 175 helps too though.

mr25cents 05-04-2017 04:06 AM


Originally Posted by Eject (Post 2356878)
More planes = less flow.

Nonsense. We are still scheduled to lose 9 CRJs this year, around 24 CRJs next year, the 140s will keep us hull neutral or slightly positive.

The good: The new hires are here, the minimum required hrs to complete IOE for upgrades is down to 10hrs (on the 145 at least), more check airman coming because more money is being offered, new sims, the infamous 2 year upgrade is almost a reality. Company is doing all they can on the training front.

The bad: the schedules, RSV rules and QOL issues, not much has changed unfortunately, schedules still suck, RSV rules suck.

Eject 05-04-2017 07:12 AM


Originally Posted by SheepDogg (Post 2356968)

No, no it doesn't. Have you seen the new hire numbers? Plenty of new hires coming in to support that growth and still flow. Your above statement is unsubstantiated propaganda, not logic.

Common sense does not equal propaganda. Based on your logic, I will expect no future metering of the flow and an immediate announcement of protected pilot list selection, with no delay in flow as we transition from the last of the 824 selectees.

Purpleanga 05-04-2017 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by mr25cents (Post 2356984)
Nonsense. We are still scheduled to lose 9 CRJs this year, around 24 CRJs next year, the 140s will keep us hull neutral or slightly positive.

The good: The new hires are here, the minimum required hrs to complete IOE for upgrades is down to 10hrs (on the 145 at least), more check airman coming because more money is being offered, new sims, the infamous 2 year upgrade is almost a reality. Company is doing all they can on the training front.

The bad: the schedules, RSV rules and QOL issues, not much has changed unfortunately, schedules still suck, RSV rules suck.

You left out and the ugly.

Purpleanga 05-04-2017 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by SheepDogg (Post 2356968)



No, no it doesn't. Have you seen the new hire numbers? Plenty of new hires coming in to support that growth and still flow. Your above statement is unsubstantiated propaganda, not logic.

He's saying the more planes the larger the seniorty list. More people means longer flows.

moon 05-04-2017 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 2357134)
He's saying the more planes the larger the seniorty list. More people means longer flows.

That's not how the flow works for new hires. It is a direct ratio to amount of pilots on seniority list. He is saying more planes with same amount of pilots means management will have a reason to meter.

Eaglepilot84 05-04-2017 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2357149)
That's not how the flow works for new hires. It is a direct ratio to amount of pilots on seniority list. He is saying more planes with same amount of pilots means management will have a reason to meter.

Rumor has it that we will be metered to 25/month no matter how many people we hire. The protected pilot agreement is based on a ratio of 50% of an AA new-hire class with the ability to meter down to 25/month if staffing doesn't support sending more. It appears management is viewing the 25/month as a maximum and disregarding the portion that says 50%.

That being said all my flow projections for myself have been based off of 25/month, so I couldn't care less if we hire a lot or not.

Purpleanga 05-04-2017 09:58 AM

Are they even flowing 25 a month? Just curious.

bigtime209 05-04-2017 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 2357256)
Are they even flowing 25 a month? Just curious.

From what I've heard, AA is slowing down all of their hiring over the summer so we might not even get to 25 some months. That's just hearsay though. It'd be nice to get some communication from ALPA and/or the company regarding what to expect.

ORDinary 05-04-2017 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2357268)
From what I've heard, AA is slowing down all of their hiring over the summer so we might not even get to 25 some months. That's just hearsay though. It'd be nice to get some communication from ALPA and/or the company regarding what to expect.

It isn't really just hearsay. Didn't the first May class at AA only have 21 in it? That is considerably smaller than the rest of the classes this year. This matches what they've done the last few summers.

And don't forget that the 50%/metered to 25 does not apply until the 40th 175 is on the property. For now it is only 35%, with no metering. It will be definitely be under 25 for the next few months.

RW was obviously lying when he said 330+ in January, just like he was lying when he said 300+ for 2016 the January before. The company apologists on here jumped all over anyone who claimed the 330+ number was a joke, but obviously it was.


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