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Boogerface 08-18-2017 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by Pony Express (Post 2413063)
Thanks very much, very informative post. I am pretty young (24) and hoping for a NY base, planning to live wherever I am based but my family is all in the northeast. I know it can be hard to guess on stuff like that. Thanks for your insight!

Cheers

Just keep in mind, if you get CRJ, you'll be seat locked into that aircraft until you either upgrade or get displaced, so if you get it, be prepared to be stuck in ORD for a while. CRJs are on their way out, so displacements will be happening eventually, but I'd guess you'll upgrade before that happens. If you want NY, you need to bid the 145, as that's the only type we have there.. If you manage to avoid the CRJ, you'll have no problem getting LGA ERJ. Unfortunately, you are pretty young, so you may not have much of a choice :/

Pony Express 08-18-2017 02:59 PM

Got it, makes sense. I'm not picky about the type of airplane I end up in as long as it has enough wings, wheels, and engines to move around safely. Where I'm based is more important to me than the equipment type so I'll keep my fingers crossed. Thanks again!

ORDinary 08-18-2017 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2412726)
While I'll agree that Ordinary is a grumpy ol' codger,

I had to laugh, I'm in my late 30s. I guess that's an "ol' codger" to some people.

Inop2 08-19-2017 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2412726)
While I'll agree that Ordinary is a grumpy ol' codger, you have no effing clue dude. You lucked out and got in at a good spot at a good time. I'll leave it at that. You have no idea what other guys are dealing with in other statuses. You new dudes have no idea how good you have it.

Please reread my comment starting at:

"May be different now and I'm not familiar with other aircraft or bases."

Where did I lose you? I used to respect your input and opinion here but seriously disappointed in your statement. Thought you were above this kind of attitude.

Castle Bravo 08-20-2017 07:51 AM

How old is too old?
 
I can achieve ATP 1500 at age 50...is that too old to start a 2nd career as an RJ guy and be able to eventually flow thru to AA? Would AA still hire a 55 y/o coming out of Envoy? Worst case, how likely is it to be passed over by AA due to my age and play out the string as an Envoy CA until 65?

On the "Glass Half Full" side...is it good to be an old dude for base/equipment selection?

Bigpimppilot 08-20-2017 08:22 AM

Lots of guys in late 50s getting hired. Expect 8 years to flow

bigtime209 08-20-2017 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by Castle Bravo (Post 2413858)
I can achieve ATP 1500 at age 50...is that too old to start a 2nd career as an RJ guy and be able to eventually flow thru to AA? Would AA still hire a 55 y/o coming out of Envoy? Worst case, how likely is it to be passed over by AA due to my age and play out the string as an Envoy CA until 65?

On the "Glass Half Full" side...is it good to be an old dude for base/equipment selection?

What the other guy said, plenty of guys in their 50s starting over the last few months and flow is currently around 8 years for a new hire and rising. But if you did wait it out for the flow, AA cannot pass you over for any reason, unless you have open disciplinary action from Envoy.

TheRaven 08-20-2017 02:01 PM

Think the record for flowthru was a guy who was going to turn 65 before hitting the line at AA....several with less than 1 year left when they flowed.

Purpleanga 08-20-2017 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by Castle Bravo (Post 2413858)
I can achieve ATP 1500 at age 50...is that too old to start a 2nd career as an RJ guy and be able to eventually flow thru to AA? Would AA still hire a 55 y/o coming out of Envoy? Worst case, how likely is it to be passed over by AA due to my age and play out the string as an Envoy CA until 65?

On the "Glass Half Full" side...is it good to be an old dude for base/equipment selection?

You want my opinion? Yea it is too old. Yea you will fly a plane I guess sure but your quality of life will be low as a junior pilot. You wanted it so I said it....

Pedro4President 08-20-2017 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Purpleanga (Post 2416807)
You want my opinion? Yea it is too old. Yea you will fly a plane I guess sure but your quality of life will be low as a junior pilot. You wanted it so I said it....

I wrote something similar and decided not to post.

The long and short of it is your flow will be at 58ish. Seven years at AA is what you are looking at. But your QOL isn't going to be very good!!


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