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YeOleLipStrip 01-15-2018 11:39 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2503487)
Just copying from another thread to make it easier to find

17 - e175 ord
49 - erj ord/lga
6 - crj ord

20 pipeline cfi and prior 121

And just to further break that down even more,

8 - cadets

12 - prior 121 (8 of whom with >1000hrs. 121)

The rest were a combination of RTP and off the street hires.

pitchattitude 01-16-2018 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by YeOleLipStrip (Post 2503808)
And just to further break that down even more,

8 - cadets

12 - prior 121 (8 of whom with >1000hrs. 121)

The rest were a combination of RTP and off the street hires.

Any idea how many were RTP?

When did these guys do the ATP CTP? Are they still the week prior to class start?

Just wonder how many had already “taken the hook” and monetarily committed to Envoy and how far back that went.

I’m other words before this latest train wreck of a displacement bid.

BigZ 01-16-2018 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2503883)
Any idea how many were RTP?

When did these guys do the ATP CTP? Are they still the week prior to class start?

Just wonder how many had already “taken the hook” and monetarily committed to Envoy and how far back that went.

I’m other words before this latest train wreck of a displacement bid.

Expecting class numbers to drop off suddenly and measurably due to Endeavor rates/displacement bid/Spirit new contract etc is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Figure the average interview to class of 1.5 - 2 months. Another couple of weeks between submitting the app to the interview day before that. So it takes about 2.5 months from any particular change to see the effect on the class numbers. Then take the percentage of people you think will be turned off by that change, divide it by twelve*, and that's your number of people who decided not to apply.

*the universal opinion to reality factor constant

DanRoman 01-16-2018 06:41 AM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2503911)
Expecting class numbers to drop off suddenly and measurably due to Endeavor rates/displacement bid/Spirit new contract etc is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

Figure the average interview to class of 1.5 - 2 months. Another couple of weeks between submitting the app to the interview day before that. So it takes about 2.5 months from any particular change to see the effect on the class numbers. Then take the percentage of people you think will be turned off by that change, divide it by twelve*, and that's your number of people who decided not to apply.

*the universal opinion to reality factor constant

I don’t doubt that they’ll continue to fill classes. Anyone who thinks that we’re weeks away from a class of very few NHs will be very disappointed when the numbers come out. The problem is that filling classes with new FOs doesn’t solve Envoy’s current (and near future) staffing needs. Spirit’s new contract and Endeavor’s new rates will affect the number of pilots with 1000+ hours of 121 time looking to jump laterally to Envoy.

BigZ 01-16-2018 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by DanRoman (Post 2503928)
I don’t doubt that they’ll continue to fill classes. Anyone who thinks that we’re weeks away from a class of very few NHs will be very disappointed when the numbers come out. The problem is that filling classes with new FOs doesn’t solve Envoy’s current (and near future) staffing needs. Spirit’s new contract and Endeavor’s new rates will affect the number of pilots with 1000+ hours of 121 time looking to jump laterally to Envoy.

Lateral jumps are a bandaid, not a solution. Yeah, it helps the company some, yeah it's good for the guys stuck at other places with no upgrade in sight.
But at the end of the day, the solution would be to improve the ways of getting there - more efficient schedules that make breaking guarantee easier, up the rates so that OT pickup is more worthwhile. Major inflows of street captains rarely do good things to morale.


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