Reserve rules
03-18-2018 | 03:14 PM
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Got a response from "next day assignment desk" that the 2 below me that got RAP1 were "preassigned" so that's why they got it and why it couldn't be changed.
That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?
That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?
It sounds like the two junior to you were on their first day of reserve availability. You are on your last. So it’s not an apples to apples seniority assignment comparison. If they were on their last day, then you would have a case.
03-18-2018 | 03:34 PM
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Got a response from "next day assignment desk" that the 2 below me that got RAP1 were "preassigned" so that's why they got it and why it couldn't be changed.
That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?
That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?
03-18-2018 | 03:41 PM
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Got a response from "next day assignment desk" that the 2 below me that got RAP1 were "preassigned" so that's why they got it and why it couldn't be changed.
That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?
That makes sense, but on the other hand, what the hell is the point of the seniority system? Should I just not proffer and get a default assigned RAP1?
03-18-2018 | 03:48 PM
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Honest question. Have you actually read the section of our contract on how raps are assigned?
It sounds like the two junior to you were on their first day of reserve availability. You are on your last. So it’s not an apples to apples seniority assignment comparison. If they were on their last day, then you would have a case.
It sounds like the two junior to you were on their first day of reserve availability. You are on your last. So it’s not an apples to apples seniority assignment comparison. If they were on their last day, then you would have a case.
03-18-2018 | 04:19 PM
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The guys below him didn’t have the same number of days availability. Hence, CS will (and can per our contract) that he was assigned rap2 due to coverage requirements.
Here is the excerpt from Section 12 B
Pilots may submit a preference for a RAP during daily reserve open time proffering. Crew Scheduling will assign RAPs in seniority order BASED ON:
a) availability of the rap
b) coverage requirements
c) FAR legality
d) pilot’s preference
03-18-2018 | 05:52 PM
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While I agree it sucks, it is not a “clear violation”.
The guys below him didn’t have the same number of days availability. Hence, CS will (and can per our contract) that he was assigned rap2 due to coverage requirements.
Here is the excerpt from Section 12 B
Pilots may submit a preference for a RAP during daily reserve open time proffering. Crew Scheduling will assign RAPs in seniority order BASED ON:
a) availability of the rap
b) coverage requirements
c) FAR legality
d) pilot’s preference
The guys below him didn’t have the same number of days availability. Hence, CS will (and can per our contract) that he was assigned rap2 due to coverage requirements.
Here is the excerpt from Section 12 B
Pilots may submit a preference for a RAP during daily reserve open time proffering. Crew Scheduling will assign RAPs in seniority order BASED ON:
a) availability of the rap
b) coverage requirements
c) FAR legality
d) pilot’s preference
03-19-2018 | 08:23 PM
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This isn't a huge deal, but could be at some point when it means me going home or not. I mean CS ended up releasing me @ 1330. 3 and a half hours into my shift she said yeah to home! So I'm not interested in being difficult about not getting the RAP I want when they're letting me go so easily.
If I was stuck until 1159 tonight then I might pursue this more. I was more curious than anything. Seems like there's no real clear answer... But logic says it doesn't make any sense that some guy who "forgot to proffer so he gets RAP1" but the guy who's above him and DID proffer, doesn't get what he wants.
If I was stuck until 1159 tonight then I might pursue this more. I was more curious than anything. Seems like there's no real clear answer... But logic says it doesn't make any sense that some guy who "forgot to proffer so he gets RAP1" but the guy who's above him and DID proffer, doesn't get what he wants.
03-20-2018 | 02:51 AM
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This isn't a huge deal, but could be at some point when it means me going home or not. I mean CS ended up releasing me @ 1330. 3 and a half hours into my shift she said yeah to home! So I'm not interested in being difficult about not getting the RAP I want when they're letting me go so easily.
If I was stuck until 1159 tonight then I might pursue this more. I was more curious than anything. Seems like there's no real clear answer... But logic says it doesn't make any sense that some guy who "forgot to proffer so he gets RAP1" but the guy who's above him and DID proffer, doesn't get what he wants.
If I was stuck until 1159 tonight then I might pursue this more. I was more curious than anything. Seems like there's no real clear answer... But logic says it doesn't make any sense that some guy who "forgot to proffer so he gets RAP1" but the guy who's above him and DID proffer, doesn't get what he wants.
Also, I almost always push for a RAP 2 on my last day. The last turn gets back at 9ish. A RAP 1 is contractually available until 7 pm and legal until 8 plus the extension. Plus you avoid the likelyhood of doing the S1 standby shift.
03-20-2018 | 03:00 AM
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While I agree it sucks, it is not a “clear violation”.
The guys below him didn’t have the same number of days availability. Hence, CS will (and can per our contract) that he was assigned rap2 due to coverage requirements.
Here is the excerpt from Section 12 B
Pilots may submit a preference for a RAP during daily reserve open time proffering. Crew Scheduling will assign RAPs in seniority order BASED ON:
a) availability of the rap
b) coverage requirements
c) FAR legality
d) pilot’s preference
The guys below him didn’t have the same number of days availability. Hence, CS will (and can per our contract) that he was assigned rap2 due to coverage requirements.
Here is the excerpt from Section 12 B
Pilots may submit a preference for a RAP during daily reserve open time proffering. Crew Scheduling will assign RAPs in seniority order BASED ON:
a) availability of the rap
b) coverage requirements
c) FAR legality
d) pilot’s preference
Your point on coverage availability only stands if the junior pilot below has less days off then you. You are good for two and the junior pilot is good for one so CS assigned you a RAP 2 and the junior pilot a RAP 1 when you proffered for a RAP 1.
Also a pre assigned RAP wasn't assigned based on coverage availability it was pre assigned.
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