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Originally Posted by NiceToMeetU2
(Post 2664832)
Is TL like an extra day off?
Anyone know how to get TL on their reserve month? I've been selecting TL when bidding and I've never gotten them. Having said that, looking back on my HI10 for when I was reserve, it looks like they didn't code it as TL, looks like it was coded as 7D... and I have always selected 'yes' for the transition. I didn't audit my pay back then, hope I was getting paid for those dropped days. There's no TL on my HI10 until I started holding a line. |
Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2664874)
On reserve, you'll need to bid for a schedule for one month that ends in a bunch of reserve days and then bid for a schedule for the following month that has a bunch of reserve days so that you end up with 7 straight days of reserve. You can help this along by adding OT on the last days you have off for the first month but you'll need to do it before the bid for the next month is out.
Having said that, looking back on my HI10 for when I was reserve, it looks like they didn't code it as TL, looks like it was coded as 7D... and I have always selected 'yes' for the transition. I didn't audit my pay back then, hope I was getting paid for those dropped days. There's no TL on my HI10 until I started holding a line. Doing these three things will create a 6 on 3 or 4 off schedule guaranteed. Do anything else and you could end up with a random day off in the middle somewhere. If you string together anymore than 7 days then you will get a group of days on with 1 day off in the middle somewhere. What some guys are doing is stringing 7 days of work in a row and expecting the company to give them a day off that bumps up next to a day off. However, when you bid the transition you let the company give you a 3 on 1 off 3 on schedule and as a commuter it sucks! |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2664937)
So for those of you commuters out there here is some advice. 1) Work the last 6 days of the month. 2) Bid a line that gets off on the 2nd and 3rd day of the month. 3) Don't bid the transition. (You still get paid for it.) Or at least I have always been paid when I forgot to select the transition.
Doing these three things will create a 6 on 3 or 4 off schedule guaranteed. Do anything else and you could end up with a random day off in the middle somewhere. If you string together anymore than 7 days then you will get a group of days on with 1 day off in the middle somewhere. What some guys are doing is stringing 7 days of work in a row and expecting the company to give them a day off that bumps up next to a day off. However, when you bid the transition you let the company give you a 3 on 1 off 3 on schedule and as a commuter it sucks! The advice about working the last 6 days of the month and having day 2 and 3 of next month off is sound though. Also for the guys that bid overlapping flying. You will get removed from flying that overlaps and it will be coded as DC (direct conflict). DC is unpaid, so for the people that think you get paid for both, that’s a myth. The most effective way to get removed and a free day off is what Pedro mentioned above. However if you live in base and happy with a paid day off anywhere then bid flying that has days touch (but not overlapping) that creates a 7 day conflict |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2664955)
Bad advice. You might have been lucky getting paid by not selecting transition. But they are not required to pay you for removed flying unless you select yes for transition.
The advice about working the last 6 days of the month and having day 2 and 3 of next month off is sound though. Also for the guys that bid overlapping flying. You will get removed from flying that overlaps and it will be coded as DC (direct conflict). DC is unpaid, so for the people that think you get paid for both, that’s a myth. The most effective way to get removed and a free day off is what Pedro mentioned above. However if you live in base and happy with a paid day off anywhere then bid flying that has days touch (but not overlapping) that creates a 7 day conflict |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2665025)
5 years in and I have never seen a D.C. Code on reserve. I have always been paid for the conflict. Is it a slip by crew scheduling? I highly doubt it. I don't THINK 10 E 1 and 2 apply to reserve pilots. If someone wants to I suggest email the union with the question.
Your previous posts suggest hard line bidding not reserve. |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2665038)
Obviously you can’t get DC on reserve days as it’s only overlapping flying that can get DC.
Your previous posts suggest hard line bidding not reserve. |
Originally Posted by Pedro4President
(Post 2664937)
So for those of you commuters out there here is some advice. 1) Work the last 6 days of the month. 2) Bid a line that gets off on the 2nd and 3rd day of the month. 3) Don't bid the transition. (You still get paid for it.) Or at least I have always been paid when I forgot to select the transition.
Doing these three things will create a 6 on 3 or 4 off schedule guaranteed. Do anything else and you could end up with a random day off in the middle somewhere. If you string together anymore than 7 days then you will get a group of days on with 1 day off in the middle somewhere. What some guys are doing is stringing 7 days of work in a row and expecting the company to give them a day off that bumps up next to a day off. However, when you bid the transition you let the company give you a 3 on 1 off 3 on schedule and as a commuter it sucks! As far as the rest, I agree. Mine always ended up working out to having a RSV day removed next to a day off but I knew I was lucky. I was scratching for every penny I could at that time and thought I’d lose pay if I selected “no” and HOPED the day off would at least be next month creating 12 days total days off instead of 11, theoretically creating 4 days I could pick up OT instead of 3. There was so little OT to be had though, I don’t think I ever picked up all 4 days. I only had 4 months on reserve though so it’s not like that’s a large pool of data. |
Originally Posted by highfarfast
(Post 2665109)
Did not know you typically got paid, regardless of transition selection (for reserve), even if it might be an oversight, it’s probably worth the risk until someone catches on. That’s good intel. Very good.
As far as the rest, I agree. Mine always ended up working out to having a RSV day removed next to a day off but I knew I was lucky. I was scratching for every penny I could at that time and thought I’d lose pay if I selected “no” and HOPED the day off would at least be next month creating 12 days total days off instead of 11, theoretically creating 4 days I could pick up OT instead of 3. There was so little OT to be had though, I don’t think I ever picked up all 4 days. I only had 4 months on reserve though so it’s not like that’s a large pool of data. The auditors who are on their game will code it as a 7D as opposed to a TL and it won’t be paid. |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2665129)
There’s a bunch of people recently not getting paid for not selecting transition. Depends on who the auditor is and what slips through the keeper so to speak.
The auditors who are on their game will code it as a 7D as opposed to a TL and it won’t be paid. |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2665129)
There’s a bunch of people recently not getting paid for not selecting transition. Depends on who the auditor is and what slips through the keeper so to speak.
The auditors who are on their game will code it as a 7D as opposed to a TL and it won’t be paid. |
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