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12-01-2017, 07:08 AM

#21

Jersdawg

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President

I THINK the 15 minutes is coming from 117. Since we don't go into rest for 15 minutes we can't be released from further obligations.

I think it used to be in the contract that we had to call them within 15 minutes after block in to be released. That was a long time ago though so my memory may be off.

And also I'm with you on mobile FOS for a CYA. What I've heard is that they can only see you logged into CCI, not what you actually looked at. So just in case I use the old system.

12-01-2017, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President

Maybe Im not understanding this 15 minute card.

Are saying after you check your HI3 and before 15 minutes CS "THINKS" they can still use you.

For my years of reserve I religiously checked and screenshotted my HI3 within seconds of blocking in. Quite a few times my phone would blow up minutes later, but I was already released. From those voicemails I could tell Scheduling wanted me to think I had to call them back, but they never threw the PG at me for that (considering how often they PG'ed me for other inane reasons, that means they knew I checked the HI3 and that I was free).

12-01-2017, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jersdawg

My understanding is that CCI sends a Sabre request. I've used my HI3/HI6 checks in CCI as CYA many times, and they've backed me up.

You are correct about our pre-bankruptcy contract. Also I believe the 15 minute rule still applies to FAs.

12-01-2017, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President

I would say mid sequence reserve are subject to the same requirements as a line holder. You do have to be contactable during certain situations. Lost flying during OSO.

I could be wrong, but I thought in the contract the only extra obligations regarding OSO was end of sequence, not mid-sequence.

Of course Scheduling once told me that OSO meant they could call in as many RAPs to sit ready reserves as they want, quiet room space or not. I asked them for a contract quote and they hung up on me. They already lie and make up rules all the time, they probably think that OSO means there is no contract.

12-01-2017, 07:23 AM

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E190 Driver

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Originally Posted by Pedro4President

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Ending a ready reserve sequence you are required to call to get released EVERY time
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Where does it say that?

The contract reads, "...may be scheduled to complete the remainder of his ready reserve assignment upon completion of the the flight assignment."

Where does it say I must call EVERY time to get released from my RR shift?

12-01-2017, 08:08 AM

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I’m saying HI3/6 (screenshot) then SEE YA! And do it as the door is opening.

They’re tricking the new guys into the 15 min rule.

12-01-2017, 08:22 AM

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Pedro4President

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Originally Posted by E190 Driver

Section 12 F. Ready Reserve 3. Paraphrase... Sit 8 hours and not used to fly then you will be released upon contacting crew scheduling.

12-01-2017, 08:25 AM

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Pedro4President

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Originally Posted by DilsonWic

I’m saying HI3/6 (screenshot) then SEE YA! And do it as the door is opening.

They’re tricking the new guys into the 15 min rule.

Your original post indicated that if you waited 15 minutes after blocking in and CS doesn't call you then you are released. This was the only thing I was disagreeing with.

YES, good point. Checking HI3/6 has to come after the airplane is in.

12-01-2017, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamesthunder

It was suggested I move this post here.

Can I call crew scheduling before I go to bed instead of having them wake me at midnight to confirm my assignment?

Also, my IOE captain mentioned that they prefer to keep someone flying and to call CS to additional flying before I time out. Should I call and say "I want to keep flying" or "I want to keep flying and I see X trip in open time." What should I be doing?

You can call CS to get your assignment before your RAP starts. However, they could give you something you don't want. But, yes I never like going to bed knowing they are going to call me for an airport 6am stand by shift.

Yes you can contact CS to add flying onto your sequence. And yes you can volunteer for the turn back list. Just be nice and tell them you are a commuter and you want to get some over nights and ask if anything is available or could be coming up.

Also, for commuters- Call when you are on your way to the airport. Tell them "I am commuting in from XXX and looking to see if you have any open trips I could pick up since I'm on reserve. I should be here by this time and if something is open I would like to pick it up." They may say check back when you land to see if we have anything for you.