Info on Junior FO Schedules
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Yes, I see that. Also, if I were to ever have an interest in becoming an instructor, check airmen, (god forbid!) management pilot, recruiter, etc., living by HQ makes that a very realistic option.
I want to get back to 121 after a long absence and another career having nothing to do with flying. I have no problem with the concept of staying long-term and retiring from a regional. As one gets older, suitcases and hotel rooms get less and less attractive. Having the HQ option opens a lot of possibilities, for sure.
The job offer needs to come first, then I can make a choice.
I want to get back to 121 after a long absence and another career having nothing to do with flying. I have no problem with the concept of staying long-term and retiring from a regional. As one gets older, suitcases and hotel rooms get less and less attractive. Having the HQ option opens a lot of possibilities, for sure.
The job offer needs to come first, then I can make a choice.
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If you are “getting back to” 121, how close are you to 1000 hrs? You might want to wait and see if Envoy continues to displace experienced new hires to captain. Either way, there have been no DFW slots out of training and it will take you a while to hold DFW, whether as an FO or as a CA, displaced or voluntary.
Can you explain how being displaced to CA is bad? Seems everybody talks about it negatively, so I guess I'm not understanding the details of that.
Is it a reserve thing since FOs with more time on property will upgrade after you then suck up the better schedules?
Are CAs being forced to fly right seat?
At least your getting paid for CA, right?
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I already have 1000 121.
Can you explain how being displaced to CA is bad? Seems everybody talks about it negatively, so I guess I'm not understanding the details of that.
Is it a reserve thing since FOs with more time on property will upgrade after you then suck up the better schedules?
Are CAs being forced to fly right seat?
At least your getting paid for CA, right?
Can you explain how being displaced to CA is bad? Seems everybody talks about it negatively, so I guess I'm not understanding the details of that.
Is it a reserve thing since FOs with more time on property will upgrade after you then suck up the better schedules?
Are CAs being forced to fly right seat?
At least your getting paid for CA, right?
And if you aren’t a bit nervous to be the CA right away after years away, well then that’s another issue.
And now compare endeavors FO Pay scale with our CA Pay scale. Those first few years aren’t that far apart.
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I already have 1000 121.
Can you explain how being displaced to CA is bad? Seems everybody talks about it negatively, so I guess I'm not understanding the details of that.
Is it a reserve thing since FOs with more time on property will upgrade after you then suck up the better schedules?
Are CAs being forced to fly right seat?
At least your getting paid for CA, right?
Can you explain how being displaced to CA is bad? Seems everybody talks about it negatively, so I guess I'm not understanding the details of that.
Is it a reserve thing since FOs with more time on property will upgrade after you then suck up the better schedules?
Are CAs being forced to fly right seat?
At least your getting paid for CA, right?
Say you've got a new born and wife that works full time with unusual hours. You're a line holding FO and have control over your schedule to make it work with the baby and wife's job. You get displaced to the CA seat and go back to RSV and lose any ability to control your schedule.
Say you're a former 135 guy that has 1,000 hours of 135 time that qualifies for an upgrade here. You've just got hired into your first 121 gig and get displaced to the CA seat with only a couple of months of 121 experience under your belt and are expected to be a CA.
Say you've got 1,000 hours of 121 time but you're still simply not ready to take on the responsibility just yet.
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Variety of reasons. Say you live in DFW and you're flying right seat in 175 and get displaced to the CA seat in NY. You just went from driving to work to doing a brutal commute across the country to be stuck on RSV.
Say you've got a new born and wife that works full time with unusual hours. You're a line holding FO and have control over your schedule to make it work with the baby and wife's job. You get displaced to the CA seat and go back to RSV and lose any ability to control your schedule.
Say you're a former 135 guy that has 1,000 hours of 135 time that qualifies for an upgrade here. You've just got hired into your first 121 gig and get displaced to the CA seat with only a couple of months of 121 experience under your belt and are expected to be a CA.
Say you've got 1,000 hours of 121 time but you're still simply not ready to take on the responsibility just yet.
Say you've got a new born and wife that works full time with unusual hours. You're a line holding FO and have control over your schedule to make it work with the baby and wife's job. You get displaced to the CA seat and go back to RSV and lose any ability to control your schedule.
Say you're a former 135 guy that has 1,000 hours of 135 time that qualifies for an upgrade here. You've just got hired into your first 121 gig and get displaced to the CA seat with only a couple of months of 121 experience under your belt and are expected to be a CA.
Say you've got 1,000 hours of 121 time but you're still simply not ready to take on the responsibility just yet.
And add to it you already have a commute to DFW from the west and now you have to get all the way to LGA and deal with all the joy and expense of sitting reserve there.
#18
Captains and FO’s are pretty well staffed as of late. Plan on getting a crash pad. Pilots on reserve are rarely used for more than Airport Standby shifts right now. Commuter hotels are not cutting it anymore while on reserve in NY.
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Most junior guy in MIA was hired September 2016. For December, the vast majority of lines have 14 off. A handful have 15 and 16 off. On the flip side, there are handful of 13 off, 2 with 12 off, and 1 with 11 off.
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