Yea. Like the PPs will give up flow.

Ain’t no pay raise that can make us give up flow. They’ll need the raise to get street CAs. Just wait.

Hell no. There is absolutely no reason we should give up anything for raises. That’s complete BS and if it is true the union is in talks about this, a recall is and should be in order.


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I currently fly for Endeavor and have more than enough time to qualify for the bonus (will be upgrading here in the coming months). Would be nice to get $45,000 put a down payment on a house and pay off my high interest car loan, not to mention I have to buy my gf a car. However, after that money is gone, Envoy CAs make peanuts compared to what an Endeavor CA makes now. If the flow takes 10 years I'm not going to spend 10 years being poor. I read this forum and comment at times to get information and keep an eye on developments with you guys, but it really seems like Envoy is still able to attract plenty of people who don't care so much about getting paid, which is the problem with pilots in general. And even at EDV, the retention bonuses were a dumb way to get paid, your bi-weekly paycheck as an FO before this month was still at a rate of $27,000 a year, which is not enough to live on, and you have to wait four months for each bonus. People need to wake up and demand actual pay none of these bonus gimmicks. But I guess pilots love airline management so much we'll keep undercutting eachother and setting pay standards low so we can provide billionaires with cheap labor and better bottom lines.

It's not true.

Nothing needs to be given up for pay raises. If the airline wants to continue to operate in the way it wants to, they will give the pay raises when they need to. AAG doesn't do anything until they absolutely have to.

IMO they will absolutely have to very soon. The company blew their FO displacement load with this bid and they won't have nearly enough qualified captains on the next bid.

This will solve everyone’s problem.

Step 1. Match or exceed Endeavors pay scale.

Step 2. Sacrifice a bit of growth for flow and stop metering.

Step 3. Fix QoL schedule issues and RSV, including how both pilots and schedulers interact with each other.

If your employees want to sell where they work they will tell their buddies.

I don't think the PPs are going to cave. It's your union management that will put the hard sell on this to get 51%. In exchange, everyone up to the MEC seniority keeps the current flow agreement.

There's no discussion!! Stop spreading this bullcrap.

I know it’s not. But some who don’t know better won’t know what to think. I’ve personally questioned this with the MEC. This is their response:

I have Absolutely not heard even a molecule of this. And it's a non starter for me.


And it doesn't make sense. AAG won't give us EDV/RAH rates until we NEED them, and when we need them, they'll have minimal strings. Like the FO retention.


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Way to go spirit! May not be a bad option anymore!


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You are literally just making stuff up now.