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-   -   When does Envoy's current contract expire? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/110850-when-does-envoys-current-contract-expire.html)

1704LIFE 01-25-2018 06:57 AM
Looks like I got some googling to do, of course after I finish my chores at home. Mom and dad get really mad when the chores aren’t done!

bigtime209 01-25-2018 07:04 AM
Originally Posted by 1704LIFE (Post 2510996)
Looks like I got some googling to do, of course after I finish my chores at home. Mom and dad get really mad when the chores aren’t done!
Lol...now that's funny

KodiakRS 01-25-2018 09:32 AM
Originally Posted by 1704LIFE (Post 2510687)
Who signs a ten year contract in the aviation game, stuff changes so fast
Well our pre-bankruptcy contract was a 16 year deal so the answer to your question is; us.

AZPilotMike 01-25-2018 09:53 AM
Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2510995)
There is a limited re-opener for the contract before then. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe in 2020 both parties go to the table with 2 items they want to negotiate? As far as how long the current contract will keep brining guys in? Well, only time will tell. But I think anyone who thinks the new hire classes are going to take a substantial hit anytime soon are setting themselves up for disappointment. The cadet and RTP pipeline alone will keep a solid stream coming in.
Yeah I am worried about that as well. I honestly don’t see them coming to the table anytime soon. I will most likely get my 1000 and then start actively looking for somewhere else, hopefully an LLC.

fenix1 01-25-2018 11:41 AM
Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2510995)
There is a limited re-opener for the contract before then. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe in 2020 both parties go to the table with 2 items they want to negotiate? As far as how long the current contract will keep brining guys in? Well, only time will tell. But I think anyone who thinks the new hire classes are going to take a substantial hit anytime soon are setting themselves up for disappointment. The cadet and RTP pipeline alone will keep a solid stream coming in.
Many thanks, BT209. Do you have any idea how comprehensive those 2 items to be negotiated can be? (i.e., would it be more like 5 yr CA pay only? Or a comprehensive review of the basic hourly pay chart for CA's & FO's of all years time on property)

fenix1 01-25-2018 11:46 AM
Originally Posted by KodiakRS (Post 2511163)
Well our pre-bankruptcy contract was a 16 year deal so the answer to your question is; us.
That's really interesting to me - and I don't mean that in a negative way because the contract was negotiated in a different era where there were some massive forces at work (i.e., Envoy's existence & carving a niche in post-bankruptcy/post-merger world). What factors have lead to both sides being agreeable to the longer term contracts the last couple times through negotiations? (I don't have any Part 121 experience yet so line me out if I need it here, but aren't most regional contracts typically much shorter than 10-16 year contracts?)

bigtime209 01-25-2018 12:08 PM
Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2511286)
That's really interesting to me - and I don't mean that in a negative way because the contract was negotiated in a different era where there were some massive forces at work (i.e., Envoy's existence & carving a niche in post-bankruptcy/post-merger world). What factors have lead to both sides being agreeable to the longer term contracts the last couple times through negotiations? (I don't have any Part 121 experience yet so line me out if I need it here, but aren't most regional contracts typically much shorter than 10-16 year contracts?)
There was no agreeing on our 2014 contract. It was rammed down our throats. We voted it down a couple of times and then it finally got voted in begrudgingly in response to losing a good chunk of our fleet, new aircraft orders that were meant to come to us being sent to other carriers, and the threat of the airline being shutdown after a slow and painful death.

ORDinary 01-25-2018 01:40 PM
Originally Posted by 1704LIFE (Post 2510687)
Who signs a ten year contract in the aviation game, stuff changes so fast
To answer your question: 60% of a pilot group who had just faced a year of liquidation threats, outright lies, planes being given away to other regionals in retaliation for a handful of no votes, other employee groups being turned against us, the firing of some union reps, and us shrinking from 3200+ pilots to just over half of that. In exchange for some 175s.

EchoEcho 01-25-2018 01:52 PM
You have to turn it over and look at the back for the expiration, that’s where they put it

fenix1 01-25-2018 01:59 PM
Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2511302)
There was no agreeing on our 2014 contract. It was rammed down our throats. We voted it down a couple of times and then it finally got voted in begrudgingly in response to losing a good chunk of our fleet, new aircraft orders that were meant to come to us being sent to other carriers, and the threat of the airline being shutdown after a slow and painful death.
Thanks - I understand. It is what it is, sadly.


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