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-   -   When does Envoy's current contract expire? (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/110850-when-does-envoys-current-contract-expire.html)

ORDinary 01-25-2018 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2510840)
Crystal ball time, but what potential exists for management & the Envoy pilot group to re-negotiate a deal prior the end of the current contact in 2024? For how long will the current Envoy contract (including flow...) remain enough to fill classes in competition with Endeavor’s contract (and possibly Republic’s & likely other airlines’)??
Our management was willing to liquidate the company to make us take cuts. So things will have to be pretty serious to make them give the cuts back. We are currently overstaffed, new hires are still coming in droves, and our training department is maxed out. I'm not really seeing what incentive they would have to renegotiate any time soon. Things could change, but people should understand how stingy, uncaring, and reactionary management is when it comes to paying their workers.

Smutter 01-25-2018 02:01 PM
Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2511282)
Many thanks, BT209. Do you have any idea how comprehensive those 2 items to be negotiated can be? (i.e., would it be more like 5 yr CA pay only? Or a comprehensive review of the basic hourly pay chart for CA's & FO's of all years time on property)
What Alpa brings to the table has to be cost neutral, so that won't be much

fenix1 01-25-2018 02:53 PM
Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 2511379)
What Alpa brings to the table has to be cost neutral, so that won't be much
Got it, thanks Smutter

fenix1 01-25-2018 02:57 PM
Originally Posted by ORDinary (Post 2511378)
Our management was willing to liquidate the company to make us take cuts. So things will have to be pretty serious to make them give the cuts back. We are currently overstaffed, new hires are still coming in droves, and our training department is maxed out. I'm not really seeing what incentive they would have to renegotiate any time soon. Things could change, but people should understand how stingy, uncaring, and reactionary management is when it comes to paying their workers.
Overstaffed?? (In all equipment and bases?) What's the disconnect that leads to continued aggressive hiring if Envoy is overstaffed currently? Why is the flow to mainline being so heavily metered (by Envoy management, as I understand the situation) if Envoy is overstaffed currently?

SilentLurker 01-25-2018 03:33 PM
Originally Posted by CaptJackSparrow (Post 2510983)
When all the high value aviators realize that they become low value aviators once they are on property


This............

SilentLurker 01-25-2018 03:35 PM
Originally Posted by AZPilotMike (Post 2511184)
Yeah I am worried about that as well. I honestly don’t see them coming to the table anytime soon. I will most likely get my 1000 and then start actively looking for somewhere else, hopefully an LLC.


THIS!!!!!!!!!!!

pitchattitude 01-25-2018 03:42 PM
Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2511432)
Overstaffed?? (In all equipment and bases?) What's the disconnect that leads to continued aggressive hiring if Envoy is overstaffed currently? Why is the flow to mainline being so heavily metered (by Envoy management, as I understand the situation) if Envoy is overstaffed currently?
Based on the info that RW put out last month there will be a 25% increase in lines overall by June, with everywhere but DFW seeing the growth. And it indicated only a VERY small reduction on the CRJ.

I think that is why the big push for captains and keeping the training pipeline full.

Unless they see major problems with the methods they are using now (RTP, cadets, HVA) or those who are here start talking with their feet, nothing is going to change.

DilsonWic 01-25-2018 04:29 PM
PSA could be our friend this time. Rumor is they are close to an agreement to increase pay. Then we’d be me too’d.

ORDinary 01-25-2018 04:34 PM
Originally Posted by fenix1 (Post 2511432)
Overstaffed?? (In all equipment and bases?) What's the disconnect that leads to continued aggressive hiring if Envoy is overstaffed currently? Why is the flow to mainline being so heavily metered (by Envoy management, as I understand the situation) if Envoy is overstaffed currently?
Ever since they made their threats and we shrunk and then voted yes, they started to grow us back. Growing us involves doing what it takes to hire pilots (bonuses, advertising), then going to AA and asking for more flying. AA gives the feed to whoever can staff it. All envoy wants to do right now is angle for more and more flying. Having excess staffing helps them do that. The rare case at an airline when growth is bad: when it justifies them metering the flow.

ParkingatMIA 01-25-2018 06:25 PM
Originally Posted by DilsonWic (Post 2511517)
PSA could be our friend this time. Rumor is they are close to an agreement to increase pay. Then we’d be me too’d.
Is that built into the contract somewhere?


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