It’s not. AAG has stated, and shown it won’t give any WO a competitive advantage over the other. Like the bonuses.

Because no matter what things may look like at this particular moment in time, the goal for this company is to get back to a 3,000+ pilot group.

They knew and we knew back in 2014 that pilot shortages and pressure to raise pay would be coming. That's one of the reasons we kept voting no despite the threats. Starting back then they have been structuring their feed to stay the cheapest while everyone else's pay went up. Pay is a recruitment tool, but cheaper recruitment tools include flow, RTP, cadet programs, quick upgrades, shiny 175s, etc. They locked us into paying more for benefits and getting less per diem 10 years. They locked us out of having our pay rates being determined by comparing us to like-sized regionals (yes, that used to be in our contract) right when like-sized regionals were starting get raises. The fact of the matter is that low morale is meaningless to them, unless it hurts recruitment. Which is why when the discussion boards get too negative you start seeing the management stooges posting on here.

We’ve heard it will just be on the CA side and will have PBS attached to it. The FOs will stay with the current pay until hiring hits 0.

I’m about 95% sure it will be done without a vote. Our MEC chair has said he doesn’t have to bring anything to vote. So it’s coming just we don’t know when we’ll get an email saying “New LOA for Pay and PBS Benefits”...

Only way I think we all get pay across the board is when all WO hiring takes a major hit. But with y’alls huge full classes and ours full it will be a long time.

Well CA pay scale is a good start. Envoy is short CAs not FOs.

And I’m fine with PBS attached. I won’t be here much longer. Either I’ll get a call or flow in a year.

When was your hire date? What is your current best guess as to a flow month/year?

Might be hard to answer. Most CA’s I know that were set to flow in the next 10-12 months have slowly had that date moved farther out. The ones that had flow dates closer at two years out basically just throw their hands up because our management has no issue violating the flow agreement.

To try and answer though I believe the latest flows were 2006 hires.

Flying with a guy who flows in the next class, February 6. He was hired in May of 2006. He also says he believes that there are 25 Envoy flows in his class. Doesn’t project anything for the future but that’s better than the 16 or 17 that were in the last class.

Early 2008 guy. At 25 a month for 11 months I’m looking at roughly a year.

But apps are out and updated regularly.

Well that’s good news I guess. Hopefully that trend continues.