Weekendwarrior2

Ran across this gem on the paid ads on the top of all the threads. (Screen Shot Attached Below). It's almost as if p**** off everyone who isn't an HVA is their hobby. How about they mention 30-35k pay cut you'll take year two?? I hope no one falls for this.

Sheg0theD

At least they show the shiny new jet in the add...


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SEPfield

Guarantee me a 14 day off commutable line and I’ll see what I can do.

It’s still not nearly enough money to commute to ready reserve in LGA

DilsonWic

And you won’t be flying the Jet in the picture.

Whiskey4

What airline currently guarantees 14 day off commutable lines??

SEPfield

None.

The point is that most experienced captains that would qualify for the HVA program are already senior enough at their airline that they are holding, or in my case close to holding at 14 day off line with at least some commutable trips.

The amount of money being offed by the HVA program is not nearly enough to offset the huge decrease in quality of life we would take by becoming a LGA ready reserve on the 145

havick206

Aren’t you a gojet pilot going to EDV anyway?

Whiskey4

Wait...your argument is that people with just over 1,000 hours of 121 time are currently holding 14 day off commutable lines as a captain at their current airline?

Do you think Envoy management is thinking that commutable, line holding CAs at other airlines are just going to flock over? Doubt it. They are likely targeting the Ca-qualified FOs at airlines with slow upgrades, people who are unhappy with their regional, etc. I don’t think they believe the high QOL people will suddenly lateral. The people we’ve seen doing that are generally folks who are disillusioned (or just plain angry) from not passing the guaranteed interview with EDV/Delta and United’s CPP. I talked to a fairly sharp person who switched after failing he CPP interview, but finding out that a CFI from Lufthansa was hired through the CPP with no jet or airline experience. They are planning to keep apps updated all over, but they decided that the flow insurance policy was nice to have. To each their own, right?

Also, the LGA ready reserve argument is being overplayed. It’s not untrue in terms of the likelihood that one will find themselves holding that post for a bit. However, with lineholding projected to be available in about a year for MIA and ORD (and just after that for LGA), there shouldn’t be anyone sitting ready or even being in LGA for more than a reasonably short stint.

Anyone who has been around Envoy for 6+ months and was rapidly upgraded after coming to Envoy want to comment on their current status? I would be curious to see how many folks in that column believe they are or will be trapped on eternal ready reserve in NY.

highfarfast

This is true for someone hired as an FO that stays an FO for 1000 hours or so.

This is NOT true for someone hired today via the HVA program.

Whiskey4

The line holder projections above ARE for an HVA after considering time-builder upgrades per month.