Only one problem my friend. Spirit rates below aa rates with new contract. But envoy rates mucho below SPirit. And you have to work with envoy for 10 years now or more for chance to get to AA.

Maybe it is better for you to go to spirit and apply to AA or other airline instead of abusive treatment at envoy for 10 years. You make more money at spirit at least.

Can’t argue with that. However, I was simply addressing the comment I quoted.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but as an Envoy pilot is it possible to apply to AA and get picked as one of those 9% Civ OTS? Or do they just roundfile every Envoy resume in favor of the flow?

It’s possible and it has happened.

It’s possible but you better have something spectacular on your resume to set you apart or excellent connections, just like the rest of the civ ots guys have. Checking the minority or female box is also an extremely helpful advantage.

Well in this day and age, can’t I just self identify as one of those groups and check the box? How could they deny it?

I self identify as blind and over age 65. That helps me on the IRS forms. Will that help me double for flying?

Requires two Olympic Gold Medals and extensive space shuttle time.

The ones I've heard of either weren't really civ (they had lots of military exp, just not the kind that would get them a seat at the table without some turbine multi as he presented it), or were a highly desirable underrepresented group -- and that guy may also have been former mil.

Does that shuttle time need to be PIC?