Wait until all the military RTP/ Hilo guys get hired off the street outside the flow. Once sucked up to various mainline carriers, and that pool from ENY, PSA, TSA, etc., dries up, then regular “Civ” may also get blended into those hiring Pool.

Lots of opportunity still for Civ OTS. Just my opinion.

I read somewhere that Piedmont's flow agreement differs from Envoy and PSA in that you are not required to flow when your time comes, ie timing isn't right and you want to wait a few months. Does Envoy really only give you one shot at flow, take it or leave it?

No you can pass and take next if you want.


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I know two. Both updated the app with great regularity. I know that one went to job fairs for years before making a decent connection with one of the recruiters. It definitely took some hustle (and a helping of luck).

Not if they also walked on the moon under the Apollo program.

What about “purchased Soyuz time” I mean, What’s it’s been about 5 years since we started buying dry time in that thing? Another thing that can get you hired w zero pic time is your wife gets offered a position in a office and stipulates only if husband is offered pilot position. Done. That was a big fn slap in all our faces.

So what sort of qualifications or positions can I pursue at Envoy to help myself stand out in the Civ OTS crowd? Do check airmen/training pilots get extra points than just a line pilot? Should keep instructing on the side and try for a DPE qual or something?

Check Airman, volunteering in your local community, and being relentless in hitting as many job fairs as you possibly can.

What is the magic of job fairs?

Do they mistake you for an Air Force guy there or something?

It’s a foot in the door. A face with an application. Indicates you are willing to go above and beyond (even if it is just a time and money thing).

Depends on the company and which job fair whether or not there is any value or how much value there is. From what I understand AA did not even look at resumes at WIA. SWA was actually reviewing applications, going over them and helping people make changes that would improve the chance of their application getting pulled. Know several guys subsequently hired as a result.