Regional Industry Updates
03-08-2018, 05:36 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by jshoneycutt
Horizon to Alaska: 3 years
GoJet to Spirit: 2 years
CommutAir to United: 3 years
PSA and Piedmont even say they’ve got Envoy beat.
If flow is in your equation for prospective airlines, I believe Envoy is in the best position to keep a sustainable flow. Only thing is, management needs to make a firm commitment to the flow.
All these other airlines you need to ask yourself what does any company look like whose workforce turns over in 2-4 years? Especially an airline. What happens when your captains have less jet time than piston time? Do you suppose you are walking into your regional airline at the peak of your aviator abilities, or that you yet have a LOT to learn? Who do you want to leave from? captains who upgraded at 1,000 hrs, or captains who spent at least 2-3 years first learning from experienced captains? Yeah, it’s all about getting seniority at a legacy... but don’t get so excited to find the magic formula to beat the system.
GoJet to Spirit: 2 years
CommutAir to United: 3 years
PSA and Piedmont even say they’ve got Envoy beat.
If flow is in your equation for prospective airlines, I believe Envoy is in the best position to keep a sustainable flow. Only thing is, management needs to make a firm commitment to the flow.
All these other airlines you need to ask yourself what does any company look like whose workforce turns over in 2-4 years? Especially an airline. What happens when your captains have less jet time than piston time? Do you suppose you are walking into your regional airline at the peak of your aviator abilities, or that you yet have a LOT to learn? Who do you want to leave from? captains who upgraded at 1,000 hrs, or captains who spent at least 2-3 years first learning from experienced captains? Yeah, it’s all about getting seniority at a legacy... but don’t get so excited to find the magic formula to beat the system.
03-08-2018, 10:45 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Man, if you need a flow to Spirit...
03-08-2018, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
Agreed however with this new TA you would be a fool to pass on it. Granted some guys will for personal reasons and I get that. Looking long term it seems like a good stepping stone to go to the majors.
03-08-2018, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I wasn't bashing Spirit, just the fact that at this point you would need a flow to get there.
I was just remembering how people were bashing the spirit flow and passing it up. I even laughed at it to begin with. Now it look pretty attractive.
03-08-2018, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SilentLurker
“Guaranteed Job at American” is NOT guaranteed. After the Protected Pilots flow, THE REST of us do not have the same flow protections they do.
This is not being discussed. It should.
You are right. It cracked me up in recruitment how they talked about Envoy getting 50% of AA new hire slots and then changed topics before we could ask about the two other groups of pilots and those calculations. I ran them and decided it is build as an 8-year flow. Then consider all the pilots who decide not to flow or pursue other airlines, and the hiring trends... I am still working my way through the contract and will eventually get to the real language of the flow to get a better idea. But it's murky.
I am glad I came to Envoy because American just always seemed the right fit to me. Having spoken to people on the front end at AA they say AA is only looking at flow and military (whether recent or prior to 121 world).
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