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Pedro4President 03-29-2018 03:17 AM


Originally Posted by proskuneho (Post 2560905)
Does anyone have an idea of about how long "Direct Entry Captains" are sitting reserve? Thanks.

I heard From some guys at the QnA Rick Wilson gave he mentioned it would be very minimal. He said HVAs would be holding a line in LGA right away, transfer to ORD/MIA/DFW in 3/6/12 months respectively.

I'm not saying he is blowing smoke about holding a line right away but the only way he is right is if the line count goes up in LGA and they have to TDY to LGA from somewhere. In ORD last year we went from having more lines than FOs to three FOs to every line. The drastic changes going on around here make it hard to predict anything. Also, AA may hand something down last minute and throw a wrench in RWs plans/predictions like LGA opening back up.

Bruno82 03-29-2018 05:27 AM

Does anyone know what the interview consists of for DEC?

Inop2 03-29-2018 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by LineUpAndPay (Post 2560799)
And the actual junior CA, not just the award on the Flow plan from one bid.

Per the flow plan dated 7mar18 these are the most junior CA awards. I believe the union updates our seniority number before the company so It may appear to be errors but are just not company updated seniority numbers. The date of hire was not on the document. The flow plan is available to all: my.envoyair.com - Departments - Flight- Flight Bid & Crew Info. Same area were you can see the monthly bid packets but on the left side of the page in the Bid Crew Information.

Bassman1985 03-29-2018 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by Inop2 (Post 2561031)
Per the flow plan dated 7mar18 these are the most junior CA awards. I believe the union updates our seniority number before the company so It may appear to be errors but are just not company updated seniority numbers. The date of hire was not on the document. The flow plan is available to all: my.envoyair.com - Departments - Flight- Flight Bid & Crew Info. Same area were you can see the monthly bid packets but on the left side of the page in the Bid Crew Information.

I do believe that the seniority numbers on the flow plan are the same as on the most recent seniority list on the ALPA site. A little cross-referencing should yield the DOH for each.

Inop2 03-29-2018 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by lakehouse (Post 2560809)
It's all so fluid who cares. It'll keep changing non stop. Be ready to be forced to the left seat for endless reserve and abuse.

And because it keeps changing besides lga being most jr, expect non-stop displacements all over the USA.

I agree it’s very fluid and not accurate and I hope that was clear in my OP but I wanted a rough estimate of how long I needed to bid reserve/slow flight time, to hold an aircraft/base.

Bassman1985 03-29-2018 06:33 AM

Just reviewed Flow Plan 1802 from 07 MAR 2018. Juniormost CA by status, some statuses are more junior than the OP, and those CAs have finished training, such as DCE and DCL.

Status-seniority number-DOH

DCE-1272-09/16
DCL-1094-10/15
OCE-1869-09/17
OCL-1154-04/16
OCC-1817-08/17
MCE-1514-03/17
NCE-New Hire

Total seniority list stands at 2391 as of the 12 MAR 2018 NH class.

Pedro4President 03-29-2018 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by Bassman1985 (Post 2561043)
Just reviewed Flow Plan 1802 from 07 MAR 2018. Juniormost CA by status, some statuses are more junior than the OP, and those CAs have finished training, such as DCE and DCL.

Status-seniority number-DOH

DCE-1272-09/16
DCL-1094-10/15
OCE-1869-09/17
OCL-1154-04/16
OCC-1817-08/17
MCE-1514-03/17
NCE-New Hire

Total seniority list stands at 2391 as of the 12 MAR 2018 NH class.

Thanks for this info!

I wonder how these numbers are going to shake out for the next vacancy bid!

I really wish the union was a bit more proactive about getting information out about displacements and preference bidding. There are some guys here that will get screwed by this. Here is a friendly tip: ALWAYS have your displacements filled in COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!!! If you have 1000 hours 121 time then you should have 7 CA displacement bids in (ONE BID FOR EACH BASE/EQUIPMENT). Also, feel free to throw in the FO bids in there as well.... You never know. ONLY preference if you absolutely want a position! It MAY be better for you if you can proffer to displace into the position you want.

flysooner9 03-29-2018 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Bruno82 (Post 2561013)
Does anyone know what the interview consists of for DEC?


Only HR no tech

okayestpilot 03-29-2018 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2561054)
Thanks for this info!

I wonder how these numbers are going to shake out for the next vacancy bid!

I really wish the union was a bit more proactive about getting information out about displacements and preference bidding. There are some guys here that will get screwed by this. Here is a friendly tip: ALWAYS have your displacements filled in COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!!! If you have 1000 hours 121 time then you should have 7 CA displacement bids in (ONE BID FOR EACH BASE/EQUIPMENT). Also, feel free to throw in the FO bids in there as well.... You never know. ONLY preference if you absolutely want a position! It MAY be better for you if you can proffer to displace into the position you want.

The vacancy has been out for a week and not a peep from our union. No surprise there. Id rather get information from them then have to seek others advice on a forum. So for someone who is going to be affected by this vacancy and desperately wants to stay in DFW, is it better to proffer to displace, or just have displacement preferences or to preference a standing bid for DFW and be subject to seat lock if I am awarded it?

go skers 03-29-2018 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by okayestpilot (Post 2561088)
The vacancy has been out for a week and not a peep from our union. No surprise there. Id rather get information from them then have to seek others advice on a forum. So for someone who is going to be affected by this vacancy and desperately wants to stay in DFW, is it better to proffer to displace, or just have displacement preferences or to preference a standing bid for DFW and be subject to seat lock if I am awarded it?

There is a bidding guide that is posted on the ALPA site that includes all the recent forced displacement and proffer to displace techniques. They sent multiple emails with actual examples of how to build your 3P the last two vacancies and will likely do it again when the bid closing date gets near. What additional information are you looking for?

In your case I would probably use displacements with all DFW first followed by airplanes that would get you back to DFW and eliminate any preferences that would cause a seat lock away from DFW. Avoiding the CRJ would be advisable unless you want to roll the dice on a quick displacement

Edit: If you're really junior do everything you can to get into ORD EMB/E75 since that will be a somewhat easier commute and still get you back to DFW when you can hold it


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