Airline Pilot Central Forums

Airline Pilot Central Forums (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/)
-   Envoy Airlines (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/)
-   -   Most Junior CA Base and Equipment (https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/envoy-airlines/112528-most-junior-ca-base-equipment.html)

Weekendwarrior2 03-29-2018 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2561480)
That's not how it works. VERY BAD ADVICE!!!



This is how people think it works but get upset when they end up with a displacement. Displacements trump preference. The senior pilot IF displaced will hold DFW and then kick out the junior guy who preference bid DFW.



Example. When NY closed, no pilots needed any preferences because they knew they were getting displaced. All they had were displacement bids in because they knew they were getting displaced.



A DEC entry CA that has finished IOE will need to preference to a new position.



A pilot who is awarded a CA position but has not finished IOE can preference to an FO position and force a new displacement to a CA position.



If someone preferences a seat that’s going to be awarded first before their displacement preference.

MikeTang 03-29-2018 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2 (Post 2561547)
If someone preferences a seat that’s going to be awarded first before their displacement preference.

Pedro should be correct here. When you are diplaced, you can go anywhere your seniority can hold. So the junior guy that preference bid DCL for example (and temporary awarded it) will still end up being kicked out by the more senior guy that was displaced.

A Sr guy will always bump the Jr guy.

The only way a Jr guy will get to keep that preference is if they don't actually displace anybody senior to him. Since we know every eligible FO WILL be displaced, this shouldn't happen.

It seems we are in uncharted bidding territory here and have to throw all the traditional bidding strategies out the window.

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

Pedro4President 03-30-2018 01:54 AM


Originally Posted by Weekendwarrior2 (Post 2561547)
If someone preferences a seat that’s going to be awarded first before their displacement preference.

Displaced pilots will ALWAYS be able to hold their seniority. If a pilot is displaced they can go to any position their seniority can hold. All the preference bids will be awarded on "paper." Then the displacement bids will bump/kick/remove//displace a junior pilot in that position.

And yes MT we are in uncharted territory. I wish people would know what's going on and the pitfalls of bidding certain ways. I think most people don't understand how displacements are going to work.

Pat2389 03-30-2018 04:37 AM

Sorry if this has been answered...

If I pref bid something and get it, but also displacement bid it, which will it run as? I know I saw it runs the pref first but then got confused by some of the replies.

Just asking mostly for seat lock reasons

Pedro4President 03-30-2018 04:51 AM


Originally Posted by Pat2389 (Post 2561647)
Sorry if this has been answered...

If I pref bid something and get it, but also displacement bid it, which will it run as? I know I saw it runs the pref first but then got confused by some of the replies.

Just asking mostly for seat lock reasons

Awarded as a preference.

Since the pref is run first you will get your pref bid. They only look at your displacement bids if you get displaced.

That's why I suggest bidding into a position you know you can hold and be immediately displaced from.

moon 03-30-2018 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2561654)
Awarded as a preference.

Since the pref is run first you will get your pref bid. They only look at your displacement bids if you get displaced.

That's why I suggest bidding into a position you know you can hold and be immediately displaced from.

A strong union would come out and tell everyone to do as Pedro says in order to force the companies hand. No one seat locked would create so many headaches for the company. But apparently that's not what we have. This is the contract we have. Use it to your benefit.

havick206 03-30-2018 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2561690)
A strong union would come out and tell everyone to do as Pedro says in order to force the companies hand. No one seat locked would create so many headaches for the company. But apparently that's not what we have. This is the contract we have. Use it to your benefit.

So what happens if you don’t preference something and then displacements don’t go as high this time?

moon 03-30-2018 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2561698)
So what happens if you don’t preference something and then displacements don’t go as high this time?

Proffers to displace goes in seniority order. But still no seat lock

babs 03-30-2018 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2561698)
So what happens if you don’t preference something and then displacements don’t go as high this time?

I would put money on them getting everyone with 1000 hours just like they did last time. I wouldn’t even bother with preferences if this is your initial upgrade. Just make sure your displacement preferences are exactly how you want them. If you are really worried about it then proffer to displace but don’t preference to avoid the seat lock and training freeze.

Pedro4President 03-30-2018 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2561698)
So what happens if you don’t preference something and then displacements don’t go as high this time?

So this is a real concern. It's sometimes hard to know IF you will get displaced. So if you have been awarded a CA position AND not completed Fed ride then You can preference FO and then displace from FO to any position you can hold.

If you have finished Fed ride then all you can do is proffer to displace OR preference bid. This is the scenario I think you were trying to convey in your earlier post. And yes in this scenario you could end up kicking yourself for not preference bidding a position and only proffering to displace.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:53 AM.


Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands