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Bigpimppilot 05-29-2018 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2604862)
If a wholly owned carrier can handle the commitment of flying that a contract carrier is flying, then AAG will have a WO carrier take it. AAG gets to hold on to a larger cut of the profit with a WO carrier than having it farmed out. BUT....the big question mark is staffing at the WO.


Big time. Good points. I’d like to remind everyone that tsa blowing it and airwhisky telling aag to stuff it were not expected. If the wholly owned are at capacity or overcommitted now then why take flying from someone that is holding in there like compass is. Unless I’m wrong and they aren’t.

bigtime209 05-29-2018 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2604908)
Performance isn't apples to apples anyway. Of course a carrier with newer, better maintained equipment and operating out of less dysfunctional hubs is going to have better performance.

If you think AAG cares only about performance, then you're kidding yourself. ie look at MESA. The sh|ttiest performance out there. It all comes down to money when it's all said and done. If AAG can get performance out of one carrier while doing as good or better, then they'll do it. i.e...operating 175s through a WO vs a contract carrier. Well...AAG is gonna do what's best for AAG. Hint...AAG holds onto far greater profits by operating flights through its WOs vs. its contract carriers.

FlyingSlowly 05-31-2018 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2604914)
AAG is gonna do what's best for AAG. Hint...AAG holds onto far greater profits by operating flights through its WOs vs. its contract carriers.

It's high time that pilots across the WOs figure this out and start to think accordingly...

Idontevenfly 05-31-2018 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2604914)
If you think AAG cares only about performance, then you're kidding yourself. ie look at MESA. The sh|ttiest performance out there. It all comes down to money when it's all said and done. If AAG can get performance out of one carrier while doing as good or better, then they'll do it. i.e...operating 175s through a WO vs a contract carrier. Well...AAG is gonna do what's best for AAG. Hint...AAG holds onto far greater profits by operating flights through its WOs vs. its contract carriers.

Where'd you see they have the ****tiest performance out there?

NoValueAviator 06-02-2018 04:19 AM

I'm also curious where Mesa's performance figures are coming from. They're operating out of places where weather and ATC delays are mostly unheard of. I would be surprised if their on-time percentage wasn't higher than ours.

Cyio 06-02-2018 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2607104)
I'm also curious where Mesa's performance figures are coming from. They're operating out of places where weather and ATC delays are mostly unheard of. I would be surprised if their on-time percentage wasn't higher than ours.

I have zero hard evidence of this but I believe the common reason people claim their performance sucks is due mostly to maintenance.

SullyJR 06-02-2018 05:27 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2607116)
I have zero hard evidence of this but I believe the common reason people claim their performance sucks is due mostly to maintenance.

Maintenance and crew availability.

BoldPilot 06-02-2018 07:13 AM

Future...I'll tell you the future. That future is grim. All regionals will die. Further down the road most middle class jobs including the pilot profession will vanish. Their won't be enough jobs to go around and people will starve. That is what my fortune cookie told me today! That's all I gotta say about that.

TransWorld 06-02-2018 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by BoldPilot (Post 2607154)
Future...I'll tell you the future. That future is grim. All regionals will die. Further down the road most middle class jobs including the pilot profession will vanish. Their won't be enough jobs to go around and people will starve. That is what my fortune cookie told me today! That's all I gotta say about that.

The world ended today, film at 11. That is what I saw on TV.

NoValueAviator 06-02-2018 04:23 PM

Hopefully my keen stick and rudder skills will qualify me to drive a twinned-V12 War Rig in the post apocalyptic wasteland.

Finally at the majors


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