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Old 05-17-2018, 06:37 PM
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The rule is either you self release (HI3 & HI6), *OR* you wait 15 minutes - whichever comes first releases you.

So, it matters if they know you checked your schedule and mail to self release (whether it be via screenshot submitted in a grievance or the company "seeing" that you checked it). I have no clue which apps the company can and cannot see - but as mentioned before, screenshot it so that you are the one holding the evidence that you were properly released if you ignore a phone call before 15 mins have passed.

To me, it's easier to do on MobileFOS because it's one screenshot to show that both have been checked.
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Old 05-17-2018, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cabotage View Post
*OR* you wait 15 minutes - whichever comes first releases you.
I'm not saying your wrong... it's hard to find all the details in the contract and know them well and it's possible I've missed it (and the 15 minute story that's told in the crew room has to come from somewhere)... but I've never seen this. Can you point me to where it is?

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Old 05-17-2018, 07:48 PM
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Don’t have the contract handy, but I’m fairly certain they don’t specify how you must check your HI3/HI6 for release. I believe it basically says check your HI3/HI6...period. If I wanna check via CCI, that’s what I’m gonna do.
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Old 05-17-2018, 08:28 PM
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12.E.6

6. A reserve pilot will be released upon checking his HI3 for additional
assigned flying or by contacting crew scheduling in accordance with
the following:
a. A reserve pilot will be released from duty upon checking his HI3
after aircraft block-in if no additional flying has been added to his
schedule. The pilot may also call for release. Additional flying
may only be added to such pilot’s schedule, pursuant to
paragraphs 12.E.1 through 3 above.
b. A reserve pilot on RAP who has been called out for a flight
assignment ending that same day may also utilize this method
for release, but must also check his HI6 to determine his status
(returned to RAP or released to rest; the default is “released to
rest” if no HI6 is received).
Like a user above noted, regardless of how you checked the HI3/HI6 if you have proof of when you did with a screenshot you'd probably win a grievance if the company even decided to push that far.
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Old 05-18-2018, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cabotage View Post
The rule is either you self release (HI3 & HI6), *OR* you wait 15 minutes - whichever comes first releases you.

So, it matters if they know you checked your schedule and mail to self release (whether it be via screenshot submitted in a grievance or the company "seeing" that you checked it). I have no clue which apps the company can and cannot see - but as mentioned before, screenshot it so that you are the one holding the evidence that you were properly released if you ignore a phone call before 15 mins have passed.

Please no one add anything else on how to get released after a flight unless you back it up with a contract.
To me, it's easier to do on MobileFOS because it's one screenshot to show that both have been checked.
Sorry but the "15 minute" rule is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Stop telling other people about it. It will get you in trouble.

The so called "15 minute" rule doesn't exist. It's simply a part 117 time line of when rest can start after a flight. It's not contractual or a valid way to be released from duty.

Also, how do you know if you don't have anymore flying if you haven't checked your hi3????

Also, let's say you block in a CS starts calling your phone and leave a voicemail for additional flying. After the call you check your hi3 and nothing is on there you are still released. NOTHING in our contract or FM1 says you have to have a cellphone while flying a trip.
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Old 05-18-2018, 03:39 AM
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THIS. Many moons ago I had tunnel vision with regards to making my commute. Apparently one of our super star CS’s issued me a turn back without notice. No “in range crew connect” and no phone call. I discovered my Missed Assignment after I got home from my commute. Lesson learned the hard way for me. As far as CS goes, I would have been happy to work the extra turn. A phone call or in range would have gotten the flight out on time. On that occasion , I felt like this guy was out to burn pilots for some reason. The MA was not removed due to me not checking.
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Old 05-18-2018, 05:07 AM
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Again, thank you all for the answers and its always good to make sure we understand this. I appreciate all the replies.
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Old 05-18-2018, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Aviatrx View Post
THIS. Many moons ago I had tunnel vision with regards to making my commute. Apparently one of our super star CS’s issued me a turn back without notice. No “in range crew connect” and no phone call. I discovered my Missed Assignment after I got home from my commute. Lesson learned the hard way for me. As far as CS goes, I would have been happy to work the extra turn. A phone call or in range would have gotten the flight out on time. On that occasion , I felt like this guy was out to burn pilots for some reason. The MA was not removed due to me not checking.
That's standard practice. I've received a phone call about being turned back 1 or 2 times in my 5 years of reserve. Them calling and notifying you is what is out of the ordinary. No in range was simply because it wasn't on your schedule yet.
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Old 05-20-2018, 08:06 PM
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The 15 minute rule "thing" is in FM1, under Crew Qualification and Responsibility, Flight Crew Reporting and Release, Paragraph F. The first sentence:

"Pilots will be released from duty 15 minutes after block in of a flight (30 minutes if required to clear customs), unless required to reposition an aircraft, in which case the release time will be extended as necessary to complete the repositioning."


The pilot contract is not the only document.

That is the second item if you search the FM1 pdf for "15 min".


I agree that relying on "the 15 minute rule" as referenced by "the internet forum" is a great way to get yourself into trouble.

At best, anything you read on internet forums is a pointer for you to research yourself if it is important to you, including this post - you shouldn't just trust my "ctrl+f" abilities, I'm falible and I'm some entity on an internet forum. If this subject is important to you, then follow up on your own until you are comfortable enough with your own knowledge to ignore a CS call after your last leg.


Until then, if you want to go home - HI3 + HI6 (follow up on this yourself).
If you want to fly more, call CS and say "Can I fly more please?" (follow up on this yourself - you have duty limits).
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Old 05-21-2018, 04:02 AM
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The 15 minute thing I've heard several times in the crew room suggests we are subject to being assigned additional flying in that 15 minutes.

What you just quoted doesn't say we are subject to being assigned more flying in that 15 minutes. Just that we are still considered on duty for 15 minutes after block in. There is even a note immediately following the quoted text in FM1 regarding what the 15 minutes is for.
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