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lavMan 09-02-2018 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2666881)
THIS^^^^^There are numerous completed apps on file at AA from well qualified Envoy pilots that have the PIC time, the check airman box checked, 4 year degree, etc....Anyone that says the only reason AA isn't hiring more from Envoy is due to lack of qualified apps is full of sh*t.

Your answer is after Flows, 76% of off the street hires are military. You’ve got a 24% chance of making it happen.

Jefferson 09-02-2018 04:16 PM

No puppet?

TransWorld 09-02-2018 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by lavMan (Post 2667139)
Your answer is after Flows, 76% of off the street hires are military. You’ve got a 24% chance of making it happen.

Over the next few years, hiring numbers at American will increase. This year’s target is 900 (or 930). In just 5 years, mandatory retirement will be 957 for the year, up from 528 this year.

That means one of three things. Flow numbers will increase. OTS Military will increase. OTS Civilian will increase. Or some of all of the above.

I have a furrowed brow as to how many more OTS Military can increase, unless AA is able to steal more from the other majors hiring stream. How many more will be hired from flow each month? Some more, but at some point AA does not want to cave in their WO.

My crystal ball says, while flows will increase some, there will be a significant increase in OTS Civilian (more than the 9% of total hires in 2017). Flow will still be bigger than OTS Civilian, but the 9% was a drop in the bucket last year.

Things are about to get real interesting.

SoFloFlyer 09-02-2018 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 2667152)
Over the next few years, hiring numbers at American will increase. This year’s target is 900 (or 930). In just 5 years, mandatory retirement will be 957 for the year, up from 528 this year.

That means one of three things. Flow numbers will increase. OTS Military will increase. OTS Civilian will increase. Or some of all of the above.

I have a furrowed brow as to how many more OTS Military can increase, unless AA is able to steal more from the other majors hiring stream. How many more will be hired from flow each month? Some more, but at some point AA does not want to cave in their WO.

My crystal ball says, while flows will increase some, there will be a significant increase in OTS Civilian (more than the 9% of total hires in 2017). Flow will still be bigger than OTS Civilian, but the 9% was a drop in the bucket last year.

Things are about to get real interesting.

I’m looking forward to the difference in airline economics in the next decade than the past 2 or so decades. AA is my dream, but I don’t want to limit myself to a WO since I’m not military. I would be working towards as much TPIC, CKA, 4 year degree, and I am a minority, but I don’t believe that should matter. Only the most qualified should get a call, but I’m no recruiter so it is what it is.

PRS Guitars 09-03-2018 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by EmbaeDriver (Post 2666588)
2 year flow yea yea good luck with that

He won't be waiting for the flow. He doesn't strike me as the type to sit back and wait for 6 to 9 years. I meant he'll be picked up by DAL, UAL, SWA, FDX, UPS or AA outside the flow. He probably has a solid network built.

SoFloFlyer 09-03-2018 08:48 PM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2667651)
He won't be waiting for the flow. He doesn't strike me as the type to sit back and wait for 6 to 9 years. I meant he'll be picked up by DAL, UAL, SWA, FDX, UPS or AA outside the flow. He probably has a solid network built.

Just to add to this. Y’all better befriend him and stop taking a dump on his success thus far. Besides potentially having a decent network (or does?), he seems like an awesome guy to be around.

pilotmunk 09-04-2018 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2667651)
He won't be waiting for the flow. He doesn't strike me as the type to sit back and wait for 6 to 9 years. I meant he'll be picked up by DAL, UAL, SWA, FDX, UPS or AA outside the flow. He probably has a solid network built.

This brings up a question. Let's say a swayne-type person gets a couple of years of 121 time and gets an interview invitation at a major at 25. At the same time, a 40-year old captain who works for the same regional as the other guy and has at least twice the flight time and comparable educational credentials and achievements does not get an invite while applying during the same window. Isn't this a definition of age-based discrimination? Not even talking about the performance comparison during the interview because one of the two pilots hasn't even been given an opportunity to perform. Thoughts?

Paperboi 09-04-2018 05:46 AM

Happens every day unfortunately.


Originally Posted by pilotmunk (Post 2667872)
This brings up a question. Let's say a swayne-type person gets a couple of years of 121 time and gets an interview invitation at a major at 25. At the same time, a 40-year old captain who works for the same regional as the other guy and has at least twice the flight time and comparable educational credentials and achievements does not get an invite while applying during the same window. Isn't this a definition of age-based discrimination? Not even talking about the performance comparison during the interview because one of the two pilots hasn't even been given an opportunity to perform. Thoughts?


PRS Guitars 09-04-2018 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by pilotmunk (Post 2667872)
This brings up a question. Let's say a swayne-type person gets a couple of years of 121 time and gets an interview invitation at a major at 25. At the same time, a 40-year old captain who works for the same regional as the other guy and has at least twice the flight time and comparable educational credentials and achievements does not get an invite while applying during the same window. Isn't this a definition of age-based discrimination? Not even talking about the performance comparison during the interview because one of the two pilots hasn't even been given an opportunity to perform. Thoughts?

The majors are hiring guys in their 60’s right now, so it’s going to be tough to prove age discrimination. He seems like the type of guy who will take to the steps to bolster his resume. He probably has some good mentors as well. This is what will get him an invite, not his age or his Vlog. He will put the work in, that’s not a knock on anybody here waiting to flow, just an observation based off watching the one video in the link.

pilotmunk 09-04-2018 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 2667953)
The majors are hiring guys in their 60’s right now, so it’s going to be tough to prove age discrimination. He seems like the type of guy who will take to the steps to bolster his resume. He probably has some good mentors as well. This is what will get him an invite, not his age or his Vlog. He will put the work in, that’s not a knock on anybody here waiting to flow, just an observation based off watching the one video in the link.

Again, not talking about being hired but simply about being called in for an interview, i.e. being given an equal opportunity. One could argue that it doesn't matter how many candidates who are older than our 40-year old captain are invited to interview - as long as there's at least one less experienced younger person invited in place of a more experienced 40-year old, there's a case of ageism.


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