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Originally Posted by Whiskey4
(Post 2666785)
Another advantage he has over most at Envoy is that his app will likely be complete and published on Pilot Credentials. I can’t even begin to count the sheer number of flows I know receiving emails from AA to publish their app after having their “transfer awarded”. That means they didn’t even have one on file. I confirmed this with AA Recruitment...they would hire more, but a large amount either haven’t completed the Org Fit, or haven’t published the app. Seems crazy not to try to beat the flow.
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Originally Posted by pilotmunk
(Post 2666877)
Saying "they would hire more" implies that they are struggling to see apps from Envoy pilots. Well, where the hell is my invite? I'm competitive from every possible angle and I update my app once a week.
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
(Post 2666881)
THIS^^^^^There are numerous completed apps on file at AA from well qualified Envoy pilots that have the PIC time, the check airman box checked, 4 year degree, etc....Anyone that says the only reason AA isn't hiring more from Envoy is due to lack of qualified apps is full of sh*t.
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Would you say that being at AA WO decreases your chances of getting a call from AA? They already have a flow so they take from their WO carriers outside of the flow would leave their operations hurting. Would this be an accurate assumption or am I wayyyyy off?
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
(Post 2666891)
Would you say that being at AA WO decreases your chances of getting a call from AA? They already have a flow so they take from their WO carriers outside of the flow would leave their operations hurting. Would this be an accurate assumption or am I wayyyyy off?
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Originally Posted by bigtime209
(Post 2666898)
There is no deliberate action from AA to not hire from the WOs. Having said that, what decreases your chances of getting a call from AA is not being military and not being at a WO. Military and flows are the vast majority of people getting hired. In 2017, 60 pilots were hired at AA outside of military hires and flow. 645 pilots were hired total. That gives you a 9% chance of getting hired off the street outside of military or flow. Very stiff competition for the remaining 9% of slots.
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 2666971)
I think you find there is an awful lot of diversity in that 9%.
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Just for reference, my class this year had 7 from wholly owned hired outside flow. (From Jan to July only 29 total hired from WO street) All were minority and or military. I believe only one was non military, non minority but was check airman and a great person who deserved it.
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
(Post 2666971)
I think you find there is an awful lot of diversity in that 9%.
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I wish there was more discussion of this, but I understand why there isn't because it's kind of distasteful. I think most people would like to imagine that the most qualified people are getting hired without regard for their race or gender.
Is AA only interested in visible minorities, or is there a minority status the average pilot can identify as that they're interested in? Does it help or hurt to be East Asian? (Possibly "overrepresented" amongst pilots?) |
Every airline hires minorities if they are qualified. They are not any more or less qualified than anyone else hired. What shifts the numbers at AA is the numbers that are flowing vs hired off street vs off street from wholly owned. Percentages, I suspect for minorities, are similar to any other legacy.
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