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Houpilot2001 08-01-2018 10:22 PM

Standing Vacancy
 
Has anyone done this yet? What has your experience been and how long until your scheduled for training?
How long until the pay increase showed up on your check(this goes for those who have accepted the SV and those who were forced)
Also, I cant find it in the contract language, if I were to accept the SV would I get the training freeze pay (5 hour override), or just get the 2 year seat lock? I am assuming the later since this is considered the same as receiving a proffered bid.

Cyio 08-02-2018 05:06 AM

I dont know anyone that has done it yet personally.

Does anyone have a link to the exact language of this standing bid?

Seaplane 08-02-2018 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2647392)
Has anyone done this yet? What has your experience been and how long until your scheduled for training?
How long until the pay increase showed up on your check(this goes for those who have accepted the SV and those who were forced)
Also, I cant find it in the contract language, if I were to accept the SV would I get the training freeze pay (5 hour override), or just get the 2 year seat lock? I am assuming the later since this is considered the same as receiving a proffered bid.

You cannot put in for the 5hr override. You are voluntarily choosing to be a CA. And yes, you will be seat locked for 2 yrs. you will get CA pay almost immediately. Email pay comp and let them know the date you sent in for CA and were awarded it. Haven’t talked with anyone who has picked a SV yet. I’m sure more details from those pilots will come out soon once we get about a 1-2mon removed from The last vac bid.

havick206 08-02-2018 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Seaplane (Post 2647464)
You cannot put in for the 5hr override. You are voluntarily choosing to be a CA. And yes, you will be seat locked for 2 yrs. you will get CA pay almost immediately. Email pay comp and let them know the date you sent in for CA and were awarded it. Haven’t talked with anyone who has picked a SV yet. I’m sure more details from those pilots will come out soon once we get about a 1-2mon removed from The last vac bid.

Some are on the latest flow plan as STAND

Houpilot2001 09-05-2018 09:31 PM

Bump.

Just checking in. Still debating if this is a "good" move. Latest thinking, seems like the only benefit is pic time a few months faster. If anyone can think of any others I'd like to hear them.

Any ideas on if all 3 airplanes listed initially are still available. How far out are class dates on respective airplanes SV bids?

highfarfast 09-06-2018 03:13 AM

I really think proffer to displace is the way to go. Then volunteer for the seat lock. Do the math on what hourly rate you d be on X 5 hours X 24 months...

If you upgrade via vacancy, you give that up.

Houpilot2001 09-06-2018 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2669188)
I really think proffer to displace is the way to go. Then volunteer for the seat lock. Do the math on what hourly rate you d be on X 5 hours X 24 months...

If you upgrade via vacancy, you give that up.

On a vacancy, are preferences filled first, then proffers? What I'm getting at, is if I want to stay on the 175 and have it as a preference, would it behoove me to move it to proffer to displace and have no preferences so I could take advantage of the training freeze. Or would they likely be filled before reaching me.

highfarfast 09-06-2018 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2669290)
On a vacancy, are preferences filled first, then proffers? What I'm getting at, is if I want to stay on the 175 and have it as a preference, would it behoove me to move it to proffer to displace and have no preferences so I could take advantage of the training freeze. Or would they likely be filled before reaching me.

I'm not sure how it will play out... a union rep will be better for answering that question. But consider this, if you are displaced to the wrong airframe, you are not seat locked if you don't accept the training freeze. So don't accept the training freeze and vacancy bid to what you want at the first option if you think it's worth it. You'd end up not getting the training freeze money if it came to it but at least you had a chance at it. In case you haven't done the math, that's over $8,000.

moon 09-06-2018 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2669290)
On a vacancy, are preferences filled first, then proffers? What I'm getting at, is if I want to stay on the 175 and have it as a preference, would it behoove me to move it to proffer to displace and have no preferences so I could take advantage of the training freeze. Or would they likely be filled before reaching me.

When you are displaced you can displace to whatever frame and seat you can hold.

Pedro4President 09-06-2018 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2669290)
On a vacancy, are preferences filled first, then proffers? What I'm getting at, is if I want to stay on the 175 and have it as a preference, would it behoove me to move it to proffer to displace and have no preferences so I could take advantage of the training freeze. Or would they likely be filled before reaching me.

You want to stay on the 175. Have ZERO preference or proffers!!! It's that simple. Only have all displacements filled in. There is NO reason to have a preference for a CA position. NONE!! End of story. Having a preference does not make it more likely you will get the 175.


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