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Tellheritwasntu 09-06-2018 10:33 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2669356)
I'm not sure how it will play out... a union rep will be better for answering that question. But consider this, if you are displaced to the wrong airframe, you are not seat locked if you don't accept the training freeze. So don't accept the training freeze and vacancy bid to what you want at the first option if you think it's worth it. You'd end up not getting the training freeze money if it came to it but at least you had a chance at it. In case you haven't done the math, that's over $8,000.

What is the training freeze pay rate? 5 hours for 12 or 24 months?

Houpilot2001 09-06-2018 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Tellheritwasntu (Post 2669447)
What is the training freeze pay rate? 5 hours for 12 or 24 months?

5 for 24. Works out to be just over 8k gross

uavking 09-06-2018 10:34 AM

Per the standing vacancy LOA, it's 5 hr extra pay for 24 months if one volunteers to incur the seat lock after displacement.

highfarfast 09-06-2018 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2669438)
Then, when training is assigned, profers get first crack at slots (in seniority order) before pure displacements (reverse seniority order).

So proffers to displacement go to training before displacements? I thought proffer to displace only had to do with the bidding process and once it was done, displaced is displaced.

Jumpseatcrawler 09-06-2018 11:28 AM

Have a couple of questions and wanted to see if and how anyone has done it...So i should be right at 950hrs next week.

1-Should i send an rf 950 bid or rf 100 pdis?

2-Once i send it and get the “done” message, how long does it take to know if you where awarded the position?

3-how can you tell that you have been awarded your new capt status, is it through 3npp, hi10?

(I SUCK AT FOS)

Thanks!

uavking 09-06-2018 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2669478)
So proffers to displacement go to training before displacements? I thought proffer to displace only had to do with the bidding process and once it was done, displaced is displaced.

See contract section 15.E.1 which states "pilots will be entered into training in order of vacancy bid award, in seniority order, by bid status." The practical effect is that training gets scheduled by pref bid, then profer to displace, then displace.

An example of this is that I, who pref bid, go to training at the beginning of month one. A buddy one seniority number below me, who profer to displace to the same seat, will go at the end of month two. Quite a difference, eh?

highfarfast 09-06-2018 11:42 AM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2669505)
An example of this is that I, who pref bid, go to training at the beginning of month one. A buddy one seniority number below me, who profer to displace to the same seat, will go at the end of month two. Quite a difference, eh?

I get that preference bids (ie vacancy) go before proffer to displace. You had separated proffer to displace from regular displace for training order purposes, which I've never seen. And I don't see that it says that in 15.E.1 either. I thought proffer to displace and displace went to training as one group, reverse seniority order, after vacancies.

SilentLurker 09-06-2018 11:45 AM

Standing Vacancy
 

Originally Posted by uavking (Post 2669449)
Per the standing vacancy LOA, it's 5 hr extra pay for 24 months if one volunteers to incur the seat lock after displacement.



This all expires in February 2019 right?

Seems like a trail LOA. I hope to see some type of LOA or even Rsv rules changes prior to the expiration of recent LOAs.

highfarfast 09-06-2018 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2669515)
This all expires in February 2019 right?

Seems like a trail LOA. I hope to see some type of LOA or even Rsv rules changes prior to the expiration of recent LOAs.

Actually, the reference to the pay for a training freeze is in the Domicile Procedures LOA (17-01) and I don't think it has an expiration.

moon 09-06-2018 11:56 AM


Originally Posted by SilentLurker (Post 2669515)
This all expires in February 2019 right?

Seems like a trail LOA. I hope to see some type of LOA or even Rsv rules changes prior to the expiration of recent LOAs.

The LOA that expires feb 2019 is the one pertaining to FOs bidding reserve and being assigned trips. It is seperate from the other LOAs announced at the same time.


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