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havick206 09-08-2018 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by Pedro4President (Post 2670545)
Yep. Preference bidding is crazy even pre LOA. 8k plus guaranteed if you don't preference bid vs a 2% chance of getting withheld and making CA pay if you do preference bid. You just got lucky.

I didn’t get lucky, I can add.

pitchattitude 09-08-2018 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2670535)
The other difference in proffer to displace vs displace is who gets displaced. If envoy displaces 1 FO from say the ORD 145 and the senior pilot in that equipment proffers to displace. That senior pilot is displaced and not the junior ORD 145 pilot.

So if someone is wanting the upgrade they should put in a proffer to displace. If someone is hoping to hold off on the upgrade and hoping there's enough qualified pilots junior to them they should put in just a displacement preference.

Obviously no one outside “the circle” in management knows, but the last several bids there has been ZERO chance of not getting displaced to CA. The company is paying a $45K bonus to get DECs. They are not going to let a qualified FO bypass. The last several bids had more openings than qualified FOs. This is on purpose. They have to have openings to create a standing vacancy.

Hoping to hold off your upgrade is like spitting into a F5 tornado and hoping not to get anything all over yourself.

moon 09-08-2018 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2670673)
Obviously no one outside “the circle” in management knows, but the last several bids there has been ZERO chance of not getting displaced to CA. The company is paying a $45K bonus to get DECs. They are not going to let a qualified FO bypass. The last several bids had more openings than qualified FOs. This is on purpose. They have to have openings to create a standing vacancy.

Hoping to hold off your upgrade is like spitting into a F5 tornado and hoping not to get anything all over yourself.

Oh I completely agree. At some point they will stop displacing all the FOs maybe.

RomeoBravo 09-09-2018 03:53 PM

Standing Vacancy
 

Originally Posted by DilsonWic (Post 2670073)
No FO should have a preference bid. They should all be displacement bids.



You’re gonna upgrade whether you want to or not, why not get the advantages of a displacement? If your preference can hold it, your displacement can too.



Give this guy/gal a [emoji514]. This person gets it, unfortunately, the pilot group at large doesn’t quite understand the workings of 3D here.

Again, if your 3P can hold it, your 3D in the same order can hold it.

Do not have anything filled in for your 3P options. Enjoy all the benefits that come with a displacement (3D).


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mketch11 09-09-2018 05:04 PM

So, if one is eligible to upgrade at 1000 hrs 121 (ignoring 135 and 91k folks), how many hours do I have if I don’t know how many hours to subtract for all those ferry/maintenance flight I got volunteered for?

3GreenKSNA 09-09-2018 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2671209)
So, if one is eligible to upgrade at 1000 hrs 121 (ignoring 135 and 91k folks), how many hours do I have if I don’t know how many hours to subtract for all those ferry/maintenance flight I got volunteered for?

Get onto decs and type in hi7y

-Keep the dirty side down

mketch11 09-09-2018 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA (Post 2671228)
Get onto decs and type in hi7y

-Keep the dirty side down

Did that already before I posted

bigtime209 09-09-2018 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2671230)
Did that already before I posted

Well...then what's your question? That entry shows exactly what you're looking for.

mketch11 09-09-2018 07:20 PM

It’s shows you part 91 time that I flew at envoy? Maybe I missed that part. When I looked it shows company sic time, which matches my total time in the aircraft, along with places to show part 135 and 91k time if I had any, which I don’t. Maybe you aren’t understanding the question

SilentLurker 09-09-2018 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2671265)
It’s shows you part 91 time that I flew at envoy? Maybe I missed that part. When I looked it shows company sic time, which matches my total time in the aircraft, along with places to show part 135 and 91k time if I had any, which I don’t. Maybe you aren’t understanding the question



Envoy is part 121 only

You don’t need to subtract anything. Enjoy your upgrade. Your complicating things and it won’t work.


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