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bigtime209 10-04-2018 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2685843)
I guess if there is nothing new to add, then there is nothing else to know.

Trying to game my strategy for base vs aircraft. I am relatively junior at the company for my time and don’t want to get stuck.

What the company does (or doesn’t do) with backfills can really alter the outcome of this, considering what has been thought to be junior domiciles. This vacancy doesn’t seem to support that.

Are you going to be FO to CA on this bid? If you're trying to figure out your best possible strategy, reach out to your rep and have a conversation with them. Bounce your goals off of them and see what they recommend. But the reality is, if you're a junior guy there's only so much strategizing you can do. Depending on just how jr you are and what your preferences are, you may just end up with the leftover scraps. And you're right, the backfills can really change the overall outcome. Not to mention, the downstream displacements that can occur when a sr guy gets displaced into a status ahead of a jr guy in said status. It's a mess these days with this forced upgrade fiasco.

402FreightDog 10-04-2018 08:46 AM

Yes, FO going to CA. MY 3D is filled with what I want as well as what I should be able to hold based on current seniority. NO 3P. And no RF 100 to profer for a displacement.

I guess the union can’t give information they don’t have, but like I said initially, the vacancies don’t seem to support the manning.

Can the company create a standing bid with vacancies from a backfill?

My understanding was there had to be a standing vacancy for DECs or is that going away?

Cyio 10-04-2018 10:07 AM

Is there a way to check if you have an active rf 100 proffer to displace?

Houpilot2001 10-04-2018 10:23 AM

They sent out a vacancy guide today. It's a long one. It with alot if good information.

BigZ 10-04-2018 10:53 AM

By the MEC email, the standing vacancy will be comprised of this bid's leftovers

Here's the trick question - does that mean
DFW CA – E145
ORD CA – E145
DFW CA – E175
(If there are leftovers) for DECs and FOs willing to partake in the standing vacancy, or will the list also include spots vacated by the captains bidding off of equipment/base?

pitchattitude 10-04-2018 11:18 AM

I guess the question is whether to profer to displace or not.

Advantages and disadvantages.

Houpilot2001 10-04-2018 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2685954)
By the MEC email, the standing vacancy will be comprised of this bid's leftovers

Here's the trick question - does that mean
DFW CA – E145
ORD CA – E145
DFW CA – E175
(If there are leftovers) for DECs and FOs willing to partake in the standing vacancy, or will the list also include spots vacated by the captains bidding off of equipment/base?


There will be no 175s left, almost guaranteed.

BigZ 10-04-2018 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Houpilot2001 (Post 2686117)
There will be no 175s left, almost guaranteed.

Agree. Hypothetically speaking though, how many FOs ready to upgrade do we have? How many of them want DFW?
We have
20 DFW CA – E145
40 ORD CA – E145
50 DFW CA – E175

30% goes to the current CAs, so 35 DFW 175 slots remaining. Some upgrades will want to stay in ord even if it means 145, some will backfill LGA transfers. We'll see in a week or so I guess

pitchattitude 10-04-2018 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2686227)
Agree. Hypothetically speaking though, how many FOs ready to upgrade do we have? How many of them want DFW?
We have
20 DFW CA – E145
40 ORD CA – E145
50 DFW CA – E175

30% goes to the current CAs, so 35 DFW 175 slots remaining. Some upgrades will want to stay in ord even if it means 145, some will backfill LGA transfers. We'll see in a week or so I guess

Based on the last several bids, I would think there are 100+. The company knows how many are eligible and I don’t think they plan to leave anyone behind.

If there are quite a few on the 145 that want 175 and those already on the 175 in ORD trying to get to DFW, that will leave a lot of backfills. And again, IMHO, everyone eligible will be snagged.

Houpilot2001 10-05-2018 05:57 AM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2686227)
Agree. Hypothetically speaking though, how many FOs ready to upgrade do we have? How many of them want DFW?
We have
20 DFW CA – E145
40 ORD CA – E145
50 DFW CA – E175

30% goes to the current CAs, so 35 DFW 175 slots remaining. Some upgrades will want to stay in ord even if it means 145, some will backfill LGA transfers. We'll see in a week or so I guess

Cant tell you how many are eligible for sure, but there are 48 senior to me with the time. I agree there will be those that stay in their airframe for an easier upgrade, but it will be interesting to see if they actually allow the backfills(they usually do even though they say they wont).


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