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RomeoBravo 10-03-2018 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2685138)
August 2016 - January 2017 DOH should be the bulk of the upgrades on this one.



It’ll be more like Nov 2016 to Apr 2017 will be the bulk of the upgrades for this vacancy that’s scheduled to close 06-OCT.
I say that because the majority of Oct 2016 hires upgraded on the last vacancy and some are on the line already (CRJ/EMJ) although, there are those that bid 175 that haven’t even started upgrade training to date either.

There are some outliers, those that were on military leave, family leave and are just getting closer to their time for upgrade.


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pitchattitude 10-03-2018 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by RomeoBravo (Post 2685165)
It’ll be more like Nov 2016 to Apr 2017 will be the bulk of the upgrades for this vacancy that’s scheduled to close 06-OCT.
I say that because the majority of Oct 2016 hires upgraded on the last vacancy and some are on the line already (CRJ/EMJ) although, there are those that bid 175 that haven’t even started upgrade training to date either.

There are some outliers, those that were on military leave, family leave and are just getting closer to their time for upgrade.


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There are additional outliers with even later hire dates that have “other qualifying time” such as military, 135 or 121 time not at the company but didn’t qualify as DEC. Those are the numbers that are difficult to guess.

402FreightDog 10-04-2018 06:31 AM

So, we have a bid that closes in two days and nothing from the union...

havick206 10-04-2018 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2685756)
So, we have a bid that closes in two days and nothing from the union...

Last bid they sent out a bunch of information. Nothing has changed since then. That’s all available on the ALPA site in the e-library

MD-11Loader 10-04-2018 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2685756)
So, we have a bid that closes in two days and nothing from the union...

They usually send out guidance the day before.

RomeoBravo 10-04-2018 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2685756)
So, we have a bid that closes in two days and nothing from the union...



What would you like to hear or see specifically? Remember you can always contact the LEC/MEC directly alternatively, you can talk to one of P2P’s (red ID backer/red lanyard).
As stated above, the union did put out some guidance the last go around, nothing has changed and these vacancies will continue to post until the company needs are met.

Our friends on frequency here would be happy to provide guidance as well [emoji4]


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bigtime209 10-04-2018 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2685756)
So, we have a bid that closes in two days and nothing from the union...

As the other guys have said, nothing is new with this bid versus the previous. What do you need to know?

402FreightDog 10-04-2018 08:22 AM

I guess if there is nothing new to add, then there is nothing else to know.

Trying to game my strategy for base vs aircraft. I am relatively junior at the company for my time and don’t want to get stuck.

What the company does (or doesn’t do) with backfills can really alter the outcome of this, considering what has been thought to be junior domiciles. This vacancy doesn’t seem to support that.

RomeoBravo 10-04-2018 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by 402FreightDog (Post 2685843)
I guess if there is nothing new to add, then there is nothing else to know.



Trying to game my strategy for base vs aircraft. I am relatively junior at the company for my time and don’t want to get stuck.



What the company does (or doesn’t do) with backfills can really alter the outcome of this, considering what has been thought to be junior domiciles. This vacancy doesn’t seem to support that.



First and foremost, do ensure that your 3D preferences are completely filled in the order you’d like to be displaced.
Don’t assume you can’t get something as there are people with none or not enough preferences set identified as “NEB” on the Flow Plan.
Your seniority dictates a lot, nothing you can change there. So, do your part and keep your fingers crossed.

As you know, if you have the time they will find you, so choose your battles.


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havick206 10-04-2018 08:32 AM

Main thing is only bid something you want. Ensure you have displacement preferences you can live with.

The ones who screw themselves leave their 3D blank or preference something they don’t necessarily want.


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