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mketch11 09-09-2018 07:45 PM

So when your flight release says that the flight is being operated under part 91, that’s just a misnomer on the part of the company?

pitchattitude 09-09-2018 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2671209)
So, if one is eligible to upgrade at 1000 hrs 121 (ignoring 135 and 91k folks), how many hours do I have if I don’t know how many hours to subtract for all those ferry/maintenance flight I got volunteered for?

You only need 950. They are counting the 50 hours of IOE.

jonrayburn 09-09-2018 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by mketch11 (Post 2671274)
So when your flight release says that the flight is being operated under part 91, that’s just a misnomer on the part of the company?

You better call the FAA tip hotline. You’re on to something! 😆

Cyio 09-10-2018 03:41 AM

I must be a moron or something. I am going through the bidding guide to make sure that I have everything set and I noticed this Proffer to Displace rf message we are supposed to send.

I was under the impression that all we needed to do was leave our 3P empty and fill our our 3D in the order that we want to work it and the system takes care of itself. We would be protected from a seat lock and no flow issues would arise.

Now it seems we need to send RF 100 PDIS and then fill out another set of bids? I know the union tries with their emails and all, but I am just not seeing the big picture here. Can someone, in simple, plain english explain, perhaps by example of what we need to do?

I got the 3P and 3D, its this new third option that I am struggling to get. I would like to be displaced and then accept the training freeze if I get what I want.

moon 09-10-2018 03:45 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2671318)
I must be a moron or something. I am going through the bidding guide to make sure that I have everything set and I noticed this Proffer to Displace rf message we are supposed to send.

I was under the impression that all we needed to do was leave our 3P empty and fill our our 3D in the order that we want to work it and the system takes care of itself. We would be protected from a seat lock and no flow issues would arise.

Now it seems we need to send RF 100 PDIS and then fill out another set of bids? I know the union tries with their emails and all, but I am just not seeing the big picture here. Can someone, in simple, plain english explain, perhaps by example of what we need to do?

I got the 3P and 3D, its this new third option that I am struggling to get. I would like to be displaced and then accept the training freeze if I get what I want.

When a pilot puts in a proffer to displace they basically take the displacement of a junior pilot in their base who would have been displaced. You don't necessarily need it for these forced upgrades.

Cyio 09-10-2018 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by moon (Post 2671320)
When a pilot puts in a proffer to displace they basically take the displacement of a junior pilot in their base who would have been displaced. You don't necessarily need it for these forced upgrades.

OK, so it allows you to take the place of someone that is junior to you if and when they have to run in reverse seniority? Do I have that correct?

Lets say I dont sent that, could someone junior to me get the displacement that I want ahead of me?

moon 09-10-2018 04:16 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2671323)
OK, so it allows you to take the place of someone that is junior to you if and when they have to run in reverse seniority? Do I have that correct?

Lets say I dont sent that, could someone junior to me get the displacement that I want ahead of me?

Yes you are correct.

If you don't proffer to displace a junior pilot would displace before you got displaced, but if you both end up getting displaced you would end up holding whatever your seniority would hold based on your 3D. The junior pilot wouldn't end up in the position you want without you getting it.

Bigpimppilot 09-10-2018 04:54 AM

You also miss out on paid move and some other things when you proffer to displace

PilotPete4You 10-03-2018 07:33 AM

Anyone have any idea how this vacancy is going to play out? Maybe there will be a new standing vacancy post after the results come out.

MD-11Loader 10-03-2018 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by PilotPete4You (Post 2685082)
Anyone have any idea how this vacancy is going to play out? Maybe there will be a new standing vacancy post after the results come out.

August 2016 - January 2017 DOH should be the bulk of the upgrades on this one.


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