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pitchattitude 08-10-2021 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by KirillTheThrill (Post 3277282)
It’s more than 100, a lot more.

4 classes a month, 2 CRJ 60-80 per class, 2 ERJ 60-80 per class. I’ve heard numbers as high as 320 a month, I’d bet it’s closer to 250. OO’s CEO (CC) said class’s filled until March during the earnings call, and that was weeks ago.

They want 7,000 pilots by mid 2022 AFTER attrition. The Seniority List is currently at 5,400 so you do the math.

I have several friends there. They are definitely in expansion mode. I don’t see Skywest getting smaller any time soon, despite Cujo’s prognostications.

Meanwhile ENY management has their heads in the sand thinking they can continue with the status quo.

buddies8 08-10-2021 03:02 PM

Skw pays there instructors wY more than envoy.
they don't up the money no one going into trng dept.

pitchattitude 08-10-2021 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 3277455)
Skw pays there instructors wY more than envoy.
they don't up the money no one going into trng dept.

I think most of the guys in the training department have a pretty good life and make pretty good money. What is it, 95 hours pay per month? Plus they seem to suck up some pretty choice OT, but that is partly due to high seniority of many of them.

That being said, just like anything, it’s supply and demand. If you aren’t getting the people you need to do a job, you need to make it more appealing to do so.

3GreenKSNA 08-10-2021 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3277473)
I think most of the guys in the training department have a pretty good life and make pretty good money. What is it, 95 hours pay per month? Plus they seem to suck up some pretty choice OT, but that is partly due to high seniority of many of them.



That being said, just like anything. It’s supply and demand. If you aren’t getting the people you need to do a job, you need to make it more appealing to do so.

Wrong about the good choice of OT. Training center has to bid out of base. So the most junior captains first crack.

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But seriously 08-10-2021 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3277473)
I think most of the guys in the training department have a pretty good life and make pretty good money. What is it, 95 hours pay per month? Plus they seem to suck up some pretty choice OT, but that is partly due to high seniority of many of them.

That being said, just like anything, it’s supply and demand. If you aren’t getting the people you need to do a job, you need to make it more appealing to do so.

Mostly I think the problem is that they don’t have any commuter friendly options. That eliminates 90% of the pilot group.

pitchattitude 08-10-2021 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA (Post 3277474)
Wrong about the good choice of OT. Training center has to bid out of base. So the most junior captains first crack.

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Maybe they bid out if base and junior pilots get first crack, but l stand by my statement that training center guys still manage to pick up plenty of juicy OT.

highfarfast 08-10-2021 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3277506)
Maybe they bid out if base and junior pilots get first crack, but l stand by my statement that training center guys still manage to pick up plenty of juicy OT.

If they're getting plenty of 'juicy OT' then that means everyone in base passed on it. Not saying it doesn't happen but they way you put it made it sound like they were 'sucking up' the good OT so others couldn't get it.

pitchattitude 08-10-2021 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3277527)
If they're getting plenty of 'juicy OT' then that means everyone in base passed on it. Not saying it doesn't happen but they way you put it made it sound like they were 'sucking up' the good OT so others couldn't get it.

IDK HOW they are getting it, but I do know they are getting it. Maybe by virtue of their schedule they are able to pick stuff up that are full trips?

dera 08-10-2021 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3277548)
IDK HOW they are getting it, but I do know they are getting it. Maybe by virtue of their schedule they are able to pick stuff up that are full trips?

In-base partial pickups are higher priority than out of base full trips. No ATTOT either for them.

gbo2 08-10-2021 07:48 PM

How far out are class dates being scheduled now?


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