On your first day in class there will be a list of what is available.
You and your classmates get to pick, one by one, according to the class seniority. The more senior you are in your class (cadet by longevity, then prior 121 by flight time, then everyone else by age), the higher the chance of picking what you want. If you are in the third group and in your early 20s, you get what's left over.
Lets say it's a 145 LGA. You can start bidding to a different base pretty much on the next vacancy bid. That, however, doesn't mean that your seniority can hold that base right away, it might take some time (vacancy bids are ran once a quarter). Once you are awarded a different base, it takes a couple of month to transfer. As an FO you cannot move from 145 to 175. Once you get to captain mins, you can upgrade on whatever equipment/base your seniority can hold - i.e. 145 FO can potentially upgrade on 175.
Big nope on holding the class date till the equipment you want is offered.
Captain - yes, you can bid different base (that you can always do), and equipment.

Envoy does not guarantee equipment or base prior to training and due to the dynamics of each class and seniority, there is no way of knowing when you would be able to get a specific base/aircraft. You can tell them you want to wait, but it will be an infinitely long wait.

If you are a DEC, or close to DEC, that changes the dynamics for you. Even if you came in as a FO, as soon as you reach mins for upgrade you will be forced to do so, IN THE AIRCRAFT AND BASE YOU HAVE SENIORITY FOR. As a junior guy, that will not be anything in DFW. DFW is NOT junior, it is senior. The ability to get DFW in the 175 is based on being SENIOR in a class that offers it. It will not be an option for a DEC.

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Do yourself a favor- if you have 121 time elsewhere my advice is to not come to Envoy as a DEC. They will straight abuse you. This company is a hostile company at best. So many more options and opportunities. I know many guys here this are DEC and are looking for ways to legally not pay the contract and leave. Hell some are paying the contract out and leaving just because the way they are treated.
Bottom line it is a very hostile company.

Not to agree or disagree, but in your experience what are some examples to demonstrate this statement? More details would be helpful for others to decide what may be best or not best for them. What does “hostile” mean, more so than any other company?

is there anyway to get access to this video if you don't have access to jetnet?

I suppose I should have mentioned that all my turbine pic is 135. I have no 121 experience.

Nope. I don’t know if PSA and PDT put it on their company page, but it’s on ours. He laid out the fleet plans for the wholly owned carriers and said that they want three regional partners of size. Using the power of logic that would indicate Republic, Mesa, and Skywest. Compass flying 20 airplanes for AAG apparently doesn’t make them “of size” which gets people fired up over the lunacy of us taking them back (which would be bad).

man..i feel like I'm killing myself reading these forums - i have about 1300 121 time. currently not flying because of a medical issue I'm hoping to resolve soon and starting to look at the WOs merely for the flow in my back pocket..every WO's forum says "this company sucks don't come here" - but if i want the flow, who is the best? I should probably just put down my computer and get back to studying

There’s pro’s and cons to each. But the general gist is that goto the one that has the junior CA base that you can drive to or has the best commute.

Either way your going to spend considerable time on reserve in the most junior base at any company as a street hire CA. Any failings across the contracts at all WO’s are likely to change by the time you start having the opportunity to exercise the positive parts of the contract.

Hope this helps.

At this point you’ve missed the “quick flow” at all of them. You’re looking at around 8 years before your number gets called. Pick the one which lets you live in base of have the easiest commute. PDT has the lowest pay, PSA will sell out for anything, and Envoy reserve is like purgatory. Pick your poison.

Can you get DEC in the 175?
How long till you get the 175 in MIA?

No and unknown, but not likely soon.

DEC on the 175 is ultra unlikely.

Envoy does not have a 175 MIA base.


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I have been in the 121 world since late 90’s. I was recently told to call the chief pilot when I called in sick for the death of a family member. Btw, only time I ever called in sick. CP was a douche and basically made me choose between job and family. No choice to be made. It is family every time.

Sad as it may be, the contract only covers you for immediate family. Even then, should your child die you get a whole three days before you are due back on the line.

The management in this company is terrifyingly ruthless. Wouldn't want to be alone in a room with any of them. I get that every mean thing they do to us is one more thing they can pawn to get something from the union, but still. Just abject savagery.

One day on of them will take an ass whipping.

Wow, this sounds eerily similar to the horror stories I heard about the old American Eagle days.

Never had trouble at the old American Eagle. I was on a trip when my wife’s grandmother passed away. The CP said, “Go home. Let me know if you need anything.”


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This is more common today, than back in the days. I will admit they do not work with you in situations like that these days.

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They do work with you in situations like that.

You don't call in sick for a funeral. You call the CPO and request the time off there. If it starts to go south over the phone simply say I'm not going to be there on these days you can code it how you like.

Confused about the DEC hour requirement. If a guy has say 4,000 Jet PIC 135 does that count or does the time have to be 121?

Asking for a friend hahah

They counted my several thousand hours jet PIC for displacement purposes.

Sorry.....Im a corporate guy. What does 'Displacement Purposes' mean. Im trying to learn the lingo.

Thanks in advance.

No worries. The airline began to involuntarily upgrade F/Os ("displaced") when captain staffing levels became critical some time ago. This coincides with the moment they started allowing the hiring of DECs.

When it looked like I could hold my preferred base as captain (plus it was time to start making cash), I "proffered to displace" to captain, which is a formal request that my seniority allow me to be displaced to captain before those junior to me, since these displacements occur starting from the bottom of the seniority list and work their way up.

I did this, rather than voluntarily bidding for captain, because I could take advantage of the benefits that come with displacement (i.e. no 24-month "training freeze" commitment to the equipment I was displaced into).

I had a fifteen years of 135/91 corporate in my former life.

Wondering if anyone can shed some light on this:

There's a section on their DEC recruitment page that says you can be eligible for "up to" $45k bonus with 500 PIC 135 time or 500 121. I am considering pursuing a start in 121, and while I've got <1000 135 time, I do have >500 135 PIC time. It sounds like I would of course go in as an FO and upgrade when I got the rest of the time to make up 1000 hours, correct? Yet take the $45k DEC bonus. Any other catches to be aware of here? (Aside from all the commuting and LGA CA displacement. I understand that.)

Yes 135 PIC time counts. PIC only though not SIC

2 year commitment pro rated, not sure how to get up to $45k but I was offered $37k

Cool thank you. Do they offer this or you have to bring it up? I assume I would apply via airlineapps and not their DEC portal, yes?

Not all 135 PIC time is eligible.

This last sentence is as important as it is true! Don’t assume all 135 PIC is the same. This is all relevant to what counts towards 121 captain eligibility. If you look that up, you’ll find that it more or less covers flight time where an ATP cert is required. If you have 135 PIC but no ATP, you prob have zero that counts. If you already have an ATP, you prob need to dwell in the meaning of those regs to figure out what counts and what doesn’t.

Thanks gang. Im way over the Jet PIC mins hahaha. Thinking about a different way of life and cashing out of California. Buy a house on the West Coast of Fl and commute to Miami or Orlando and fish.....a lot.

Just so you know, you won’t be able to hold MIA as a captain for some time. On the last bid a DEC got bumped out of MIA by more senior pilots upgrading.

I did both, there is a 121.436 qualification sheet that you fill out pre interview to qualify for it. they review your logbooks there as well.

I did not get a $ amount for the bonus until after I was assigned my class date about 2 weeks after interview. No information about how the amount was determined. My best guess is not full 45 because I don't have type/experience in fleet.

Interesting. Thank you.

Are you currently employed?

Most junior MIA CA has been with the company 10 months. That’s not too bad.

Until more 2016/2017 hires upgrade and displace junior guys out. How many, time will tell. Might just be a few.

Yes. Just contemplating a different type of flying, set schedule...set time off.