Envoy Direct Entry Captain
 

Does anyone have the contract or information for DEC?
I have a pre-offer but it says First Officer at the top. Is this discussed in more detail after the background checks and review board when selecting a class date?

I had the same- I think it’s just a generic letter.

Dont come here as a direct entry captain....

Thank you... that was very informative.
Do you have any suggestions that aren’t half the pay and half the bonus for an fo position at another regional?

Come to Piedmont so there’s more captains junior to me haha.

Yeah, so he can be in training for ten months and have an even worse contract. SMH

Endeavor.

I don’t think they’re doing DECs per say, but you’d upgrade practically immedietally.

Nah just 4 months for DEC’s and your getting 75 hrs of captain pay while you sit at home.

But at less pay

Lol never said PDT was better. I just want more people below me.

It's a little bit of legal dancing from Envoy. They don't hire street captains, everyone comes to Envoy as an FO. However, before you start, they can pay you a bonus. On day one, you will pick an FO job off the board of FO vacancies... then as soon as they wipe the board clean, you will be displaced to the left seat of either the CRJ or 145 in either LGA or ORD.

There have been typically 5-10 DECs per class, so relative seniority builds. They seem to be running a displacement bid every 3 months to force qualified FO's to the left seat. Many don't want to because they have seniority in the right seat, weekends and holidays off, and they aren't trying to build a resume because they will flow in the time it would take them to build 1000 hrs of PIC.

Except you’re not allowed to flow without being a captain, and when you’re upgraded you are flow locked for a year. Once you hit 800 hours the company can even assign you flying if you try to hide on reserve. They will get their captains one way or another.

what planes/bases are DECs getting assigned?

Whatever is in the standing vacancy. Used to be LGA 145, then for the last month and a half all went to ORD CRJ, and last class went to ORD 145. For the upcoming bid there is no LGA 145 or ORD CRJ slots, so it might get interesting.

Thank you, now it makes a little more sense.

ill be commuting out of Florida MCO/PBI/MLB, wich of the bases would be easiest commute, ORD or LGA?

I’ve flown with a couple seniorish FAs who live in Orlando and commute to DFW over any of the other bases.

How times change.

There was one point at American Eagle when it was 10 yrs just to hold your first CA spot.

DFW won’t be an option for a DEC for a long time, unless some anomaly occurs.

What about getting DFW as an FO?

New hire, 9-12 months, or never depending on fleet.

Nope

Filler

Interesting. I was under the impression that new-hires were getting 175 DFW or LGA. Is that not true? Which airplane would get you DFW based out of training as fast as possible?

Then once you get to DFW you’re going to be on reserve for a while, i’ve seen guys get to DFW just to bid back to LGA. This is in the 145

Same with guys that bid to MIA on the 145. They usually do one bid cycle then bid back to Lga

Well...if you live in the DFW area, RSV isn't a terrible deal. If you're still commuting into DFW, then that's a big code red. Abort abort abort.

DFW first day is typically available on the 175. The problem is getting a 175 slot, and it's a high risk proposition - FO's are seat locked here, meaning that once you get the 145 or god forbid the CRJ, it's either quit or learn to love the suck.

The 145 is much more likely than the CRJ, luckily, and you can actually fly after 4-5 months of reserve in NY. You'll be on never-fly reserve for upwards of a year if you go LGA-ORD-DFW like many of us are doing though.

When getting close to expiring on landings, HI6 says contact CP. CPO office said they don't handle that, call scheduling, scheduling said they don't handle that and not sure who to call next. I ended up getting a trip by luck. Scheduling would not give me one out of reserve list order.

To anyone who has actually expired, how do you get the sim, and what does it consist of? Is it a graded event like recurrent or just 3 landings wherever they can fit you in?

Email your CP, CS and the training contact. That way there’s a paper trail if/when you go out of currency you will be pay protected because you can show you did everything on your end. If they want to play hot potato then it’s on them.

Phone calls do nothing because then it’s he said she said apart from CS and dispatch they’re not recorded.

I got 4 weeks of back-to-back 5 leg days when my landings were about to expire, for consolidation, so I don't know.

I’m a DEC on the line now. All the paperwork I got said FO. Don’t worry.


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What's so wrong with the CRJ side? Is DFW even a CRJ base? How long are you seat locked for? That's the first I've heard of a seat lock at Envoy.

The only thing I would care about is getting a DFW base, as I live there (hence the interest in Envoy). Reserve sucks everywhere, but as long as I'd live in base it isn't miserable. Are you guys that fat on Reserves that reservists never fly?

Thanks for answering questions.

CRJ only base is ORD. but there were no newhire FOs on the CRJ since 03/18

I want to get to DFW as well. Problem with the CRJ at MQ is that it is only flying in ORD. New hires are seat locked on equipment for 2 years. Since ORD is the only CRJ base it means you are also base locked for 2 years. I actually want to fly the CRJ but I care about domicile a lot more. From the other threads it looks like base and equipment assignment is a toss up.

You could get lucky and get DFW 175/145; in which case life as an FO would be pretty good. Or, draw the short straw and get ORD CRJ FO. The commute between DFW and ORD is a particularly tough one. But then, your forced upgrade will come in no time and you'll be in LGA or ORD.

It looks like Mesa is a much better option for holding DFW as soon as possible, both as FO and CA.

Like everything here, when it comes to reserve your experience is going depend on what fleet you get. I can tell you from experience that the 145 is comically overstaffed with FO’s. Subtracting consolidation flying, I’ve averaged about 10 hours a month. My loss could be your gain though, if you get the 175 - comparatively luxurious with short involuntary reserve commitments and even FO critical coverage sometimes.

The question I have is why have our planners created such a huge staffing imbalance?

15 Transtates 145’s heading our way

That has been thrown around a lot, but I think they are essentially “pass through.” I think we are supposed to transfer some 140s out to PSA or Piedmont. I think that fleet is supposed to stay flat.

That was my understanding between the fleet projection and some conversions. But the truth changes regularly.

Because they have a lot more information than we do on how the big picture will be shaping up moving into 2019. Reading in between the lines, there are definitely things in motion that we aren't privy to yet.

Few points need to be clarified
- you are not seatlocked for 2 years as an FO. You are seatlocked until upgrade. FOs cannot bid to other equipment. Same equipment to other base only.
- you upgrade on the CRJ will not come in no time since you will be sitting reserve until the jets are parked

Guys got DFW on first/second bid this spring/summer on 175/145

So it seems that 175 / 145 is what is most junior and what most people are getting anyway? It'd just be some time until you may get to bid to DFW?

That is pretty ridiculous that they wouldn't tell you what Base / Equipment you get awarded before you start training and you can't bid to a different base/equipment. I'm also willing to bet that they won't give you an option to hold a class date until you get the equipment you want? Say if I tell them I only want the 175 and I'll hold out from starting training until they have an opening in a 175 class?

Can you bid a different Base / Equipment when you are a Captain?

Search jetnet for Robert Isom’s video on 5/8 where he outlines the WO fleet. Envoy will be a 200 plane fleet, PSA 150 planes, and PDT will be about 60. PDT is almost to 60 and they can’t manage what they have and a third of their pilots are constantly in training. I don’t see PDT being given any of the 140’s as they can’t crew what they have, and PSA doesn’t operate the type, so that just doesn’t make sense.