That's the biggest advantage I found working here. I never knew what a "(real) schedule" was in my former life.

The flying is EXCEPTIONALLY straight-forward and easy. No filing, no receipts to keep up with, no arranging for after-hours FBO call-outs, no rental cars, no veiled threats about carrying write-ups, NO BULL****.

Be careful man you may already know but it’s going to be a long, long time before you will have a line here and get a good QOL. However, that can change if reserve rules improve and we get some sort of long call for DECs. My guess is that if it ever happens it will go to the senior guys on rsv. Again screwing over the DECs.

Right now it’s endless rsv and minimum days off a month is 11. Which turns into 8-9 if you commute. Some days I wanna quit others I’m happy I’m employeed. This can all change if you live in base.

Good luck

Endless? Oh come on, it's about a year?

There’s DECs who have been here a year and still on rsv with no end in sight. In my opinion it will be 2-3 years of rsv. Anything less than that and you’re not thinking straight

I don’t see any way a DEC hired now on the 145 will get off of rsv in under a year and a half.


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Yep. No big deal.
I'm not a DEC candidate, but you guys need to have some perspective. A year and a half is nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Thanks guys, lots of good insider info to contemplate. DEC's sound like they get the brunt of the trips.....away from a warm domicile.

DECs have pros and cons. Pro, they are sitting left seat with a flow now and have a large sign on bonus. Cons, they are sitting left seat with FO's that are more senior to them, perhaps perpetually knocking them down the list.

You have to keep in mind that every FO hired before you got here is a potential issue. If you are OK with that and the money makes it worth it, do it. If you live in base you are golden.

As for time on rev, I would put it 1.5-2 years, as that is the average upgrade time for FO's that were hired in the late 2016 early 2017 hiring spree. Once they are out of your way you can start to get off RSV, however you may not want to if you live in base.

Incentives such as unlimited commuter hotels in NYC helped staffing levels tremendously. But If your a DEC and on live in base Rsv for 1.5yrs can be a walk in the park,. Now we all know majority of crews choose to commute to certain bases due to high costs of living, rent/housing prices, and taxes. So Rsv life is something heavy to many because of our industry lagging rules.

Those guys got $45K and the rest of the pilot group got nothing. Many of us didn’t even get the $20K as an FO. Trust me they didn’t get screwed out of anything.

It’s all timing. You may not get money but you get to hold a line,good QOL and build time to get out and go somewhere else.

No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head to come here.

Worst schedule and airline ever. Period.

I respectfully disagree.
I live in base, have a line and schedules have been fine.
Having said that, if the NY lines decrease as per Ric’s email well...

Says everyone at every regional

So how much actual flying would a newbie DEC on reserve actually get? And what are the junior bases?

Envoy Direct Entry Captain
 

I’m on my first full month of reserve. I’ve flown 33 hours in October and have 3 more days of reserve left.


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Ive flown 14 hours all of october. But I’ve been called to sit standby a few times as well. What’s standby you ask? It is this amazing thing where you sit in our asbetos riddled crew room in LGA for 8 hrs a day awaiting schedulings call to go do a YUL turn. There is virtually no limit to how often you can be assigned this, there is no pay override and standby is assigned in reverse seniority order everyday. You WILL be assigned this often! There are 8 standby shifts per day in NYC.

Unless you are coming here to check the 121 PIC box and move on in 6 months, there is nothing in the works that says this is a good place to be going forward for the long term.

Plan to sit more than fly....

If DECs didn’t learn their lesson about seniority in the last 1,000 121 hours, well.....

You won’t get my sympathy or anyone else’s.

As a DEC, I’ll post my outlook on it.

In summary, if I had it to do over, I would do the same thing.

It’s a pretty good opportunity. The bonus is good and it’s a good opportunity to get Part 121 Turbine PIC. If you live in base or can move there it’s even better. I talked with my wife about moving to base, but we have a great support system where we live while I’m away, so we decided to deal with commuting on reserve.

It is tough, though. Commuting on reserve is not a lot of fun. The minimum days off for reserve is 11 and if you commute, you can plan to commute to base in on three or four of those days.

At the moment I’m not getting as many hours as I thought I would. I have 33 for October and only a couple of more days left this month. I’m stuck at the spot in the list where I’m too junior to get trips I proffer for and too senior to get assigned trips. Hopefully flying will pick up.

I can’t see being on reserve any less than the next year and a half or so. We’re just not hiring that many DECs and many of the ones we’ve hired are going to the CRJ.

My family and I knew it would be tough for a while going into this, but it doesn’t make it any less tough. Just know what you’re getting into. You’ll be perpetually junior until the FOs hired below you are eligible for
upgrade.

Ive only been here for a few months, but I feel like I’ve been treated fairly so far. In training I saw someone have trouble in each phase but they worked and made it to the line. Scheduling has also been pretty fair and has tried to help me to the best of their ability. Crews I’ve flown with so far have been great to work with as well.

In short, if you choose to come here, just realize the schedule is tough, especially if you are a commuter. It’s a good opportunity, just have a frank discussion with your family and self to see what is right for you.


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I understand that almost all DEC are going to CRJ in ORD. Are the lines better and how long on reserve? Been the only base for the CRJ are the situation the same as the EMB145? Thanks in advance.

If you get the crj as a direct entry captain I would expect reserve duty until the fleet is gone which is until early 2020 at this time. However, you might get the 145. Either way I would expect reserve of at least a year possibly/likely longer (but who knows for sure).

thanks for the quick reply!!!!

My source in recruiting says only 10-15 more DEC and the pipeline will be shut off. If you do not have any understanding of ENVOY RSV, know that you will sit airport standby as a captain for the next 3 years if you are hired now....

It adds up. The mass of FOs they hired between 2016-2017 are gearing up to upgrade soon and the company is going to need more FOs.

Gearing up? They’re already on the line or currently in upgrade training.

Food for thought for DEC’s

Hey I'm gonna go out on a limb and say no matter what equipment you are on you will be on reserve for years. When it comes to DEC guys you missed the boat on the chance to hold a line. I'm going to guess three or four years before you can hold a line on any equipment.

Reason- we are about to start having a massive amount of pilots hit 1000 hours over the next 6 - 18 months. I don't see them continuing to hire DEC very much longer.

Hence why that LOA is up in Feb. They know they’ll have plenty of guys to upgrade by then.

I’m a DEC got 45k sign in Bonus
 

Been here 1 year, I may leave January for another gig, will the company enforce the repayment of the Bonus?

Absolutely, if you can wait until it’s been a full year off IOE or you’ll owe it all back. It’s not based of DOH.

False. It’s DOH

No it’s not. Read the agreement, paragraph 3 and 4. Clearly states after IOE.

I don’t know what OTHER’S contracts say, but mine from 2017 is DOH.

Mine is DOH....

Mine also says I have to stay employeed as a First Officer for 24 months. Since the company displaced me to the left seat at its discretion, does this void my contract? Food for thought...

Yep!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely.

drop the bomb

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You could possible set a precedent. Blaze that trail.

Gladly. I’m on my way out the door and would love to pay it forward to my ENY DEC HVA bro’s in the struggle.

Since I haven’t read one, I can’t say for sure, but I’m pretty sure the DECs contract reads differently from the rest of us hired as FOs and displaced to the left seat.

But by all means, certainly something to look into.