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E6BAV8R 09-30-2018 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2682858)
DFW first day is typically available on the 175. The problem is getting a 175 slot, and it's a high risk proposition - FO's are seat locked here, meaning that once you get the 145 or god forbid the CRJ, it's either quit or learn to love the suck.

The 145 is much more likely than the CRJ, luckily, and you can actually fly after 4-5 months of reserve in NY. You'll be on never-fly reserve for upwards of a year if you go LGA-ORD-DFW like many of us are doing though.

What's so wrong with the CRJ side? Is DFW even a CRJ base? How long are you seat locked for? That's the first I've heard of a seat lock at Envoy.

The only thing I would care about is getting a DFW base, as I live there (hence the interest in Envoy). Reserve sucks everywhere, but as long as I'd live in base it isn't miserable. Are you guys that fat on Reserves that reservists never fly?

Thanks for answering questions.

BigZ 09-30-2018 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by E6BAV8R (Post 2683414)
What's so wrong with the CRJ side? Is DFW even a CRJ base? How long are you seat locked for? That's the first I've heard of a seat lock at Envoy.

The only thing I would care about is getting a DFW base, as I live there (hence the interest in Envoy). Reserve sucks everywhere, but as long as I'd live in base it isn't miserable. Are you guys that fat on Reserves that reservists never fly?

Thanks for answering questions.

CRJ only base is ORD. but there were no newhire FOs on the CRJ since 03/18

greendotplus10 09-30-2018 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by E6BAV8R (Post 2683414)
What's so wrong with the CRJ side? Is DFW even a CRJ base? How long are you seat locked for? That's the first I've heard of a seat lock at Envoy.

The only thing I would care about is getting a DFW base, as I live there (hence the interest in Envoy). Reserve sucks everywhere, but as long as I'd live in base it isn't miserable. Are you guys that fat on Reserves that reservists never fly?

Thanks for answering questions.

I want to get to DFW as well. Problem with the CRJ at MQ is that it is only flying in ORD. New hires are seat locked on equipment for 2 years. Since ORD is the only CRJ base it means you are also base locked for 2 years. I actually want to fly the CRJ but I care about domicile a lot more. From the other threads it looks like base and equipment assignment is a toss up.

You could get lucky and get DFW 175/145; in which case life as an FO would be pretty good. Or, draw the short straw and get ORD CRJ FO. The commute between DFW and ORD is a particularly tough one. But then, your forced upgrade will come in no time and you'll be in LGA or ORD.

It looks like Mesa is a much better option for holding DFW as soon as possible, both as FO and CA.

NoValueAviator 09-30-2018 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by E6BAV8R (Post 2683414)
What's so wrong with the CRJ side? Is DFW even a CRJ base? How long are you seat locked for? That's the first I've heard of a seat lock at Envoy.

The only thing I would care about is getting a DFW base, as I live there (hence the interest in Envoy). Reserve sucks everywhere, but as long as I'd live in base it isn't miserable. Are you guys that fat on Reserves that reservists never fly?

Thanks for answering questions.

Like everything here, when it comes to reserve your experience is going depend on what fleet you get. I can tell you from experience that the 145 is comically overstaffed with FO’s. Subtracting consolidation flying, I’ve averaged about 10 hours a month. My loss could be your gain though, if you get the 175 - comparatively luxurious with short involuntary reserve commitments and even FO critical coverage sometimes.

The question I have is why have our planners created such a huge staffing imbalance?

havick206 09-30-2018 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2683436)
Like everything here, when it comes to reserve your experience is going depend on what fleet you get. I can tell you from experience that the 145 is comically overstaffed with FO’s. Subtracting consolidation flying, I’ve averaged about 10 hours a month. My loss could be your gain though, if you get the 175 - comparatively luxurious with short involuntary reserve commitments and even FO critical coverage sometimes.

The question I have is why have our planners created such a huge staffing imbalance?

15 Transtates 145’s heading our way

pitchattitude 09-30-2018 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 2683447)
15 Transtates 145’s heading our way

That has been thrown around a lot, but I think they are essentially “pass through.” I think we are supposed to transfer some 140s out to PSA or Piedmont. I think that fleet is supposed to stay flat.

That was my understanding between the fleet projection and some conversions. But the truth changes regularly.

bigtime209 09-30-2018 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2683436)
Like everything here, when it comes to reserve your experience is going depend on what fleet you get. I can tell you from experience that the 145 is comically overstaffed with FO’s. Subtracting consolidation flying, I’ve averaged about 10 hours a month. My loss could be your gain though, if you get the 175 - comparatively luxurious with short involuntary reserve commitments and even FO critical coverage sometimes.

The question I have is why have our planners created such a huge staffing imbalance?

Because they have a lot more information than we do on how the big picture will be shaping up moving into 2019. Reading in between the lines, there are definitely things in motion that we aren't privy to yet.

BigZ 09-30-2018 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by greendotplus10 (Post 2683428)
I want to get to DFW as well. Problem with the CRJ at MQ is that it is only flying in ORD. New hires are seat locked on equipment for 2 years. Since ORD is the only CRJ base it means you are also base locked for 2 years. I actually want to fly the CRJ but I care about domicile a lot more. From the other threads it looks like base and equipment assignment is a toss up.

You could get lucky and get DFW 175/145; in which case life as an FO would be pretty good. Or, draw the short straw and get ORD CRJ FO. The commute between DFW and ORD is a particularly tough one. But then, your forced upgrade will come in no time and you'll be in LGA or ORD.

It looks like Mesa is a much better option for holding DFW as soon as possible, both as FO and CA.

Few points need to be clarified
- you are not seatlocked for 2 years as an FO. You are seatlocked until upgrade. FOs cannot bid to other equipment. Same equipment to other base only.
- you upgrade on the CRJ will not come in no time since you will be sitting reserve until the jets are parked

Guys got DFW on first/second bid this spring/summer on 175/145

E6BAV8R 10-01-2018 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2683473)
Few points need to be clarified
- you are not seatlocked for 2 years as an FO. You are seatlocked until upgrade. FOs cannot bid to other equipment. Same equipment to other base only.
- you upgrade on the CRJ will not come in no time since you will be sitting reserve until the jets are parked

Guys got DFW on first/second bid this spring/summer on 175/145

So it seems that 175 / 145 is what is most junior and what most people are getting anyway? It'd just be some time until you may get to bid to DFW?

That is pretty ridiculous that they wouldn't tell you what Base / Equipment you get awarded before you start training and you can't bid to a different base/equipment. I'm also willing to bet that they won't give you an option to hold a class date until you get the equipment you want? Say if I tell them I only want the 175 and I'll hold out from starting training until they have an opening in a 175 class?

Can you bid a different Base / Equipment when you are a Captain?

MD-11Loader 10-01-2018 06:49 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2683454)
That has been thrown around a lot, but I think they are essentially “pass through.” I think we are supposed to transfer some 140s out to PSA or Piedmont. I think that fleet is supposed to stay flat.

That was my understanding between the fleet projection and some conversions. But the truth changes regularly.

Search jetnet for Robert Isom’s video on 5/8 where he outlines the WO fleet. Envoy will be a 200 plane fleet, PSA 150 planes, and PDT will be about 60. PDT is almost to 60 and they can’t manage what they have and a third of their pilots are constantly in training. I don’t see PDT being given any of the 140’s as they can’t crew what they have, and PSA doesn’t operate the type, so that just doesn’t make sense.


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