The profit margins at AAG are decreasing quarterly and we are filling classes. There is ZERO incentive for them to increase pay.

Airline staffing is subject to inertia.
Remember how DECs bonus took a few months to start seeing current numbers in classes? And even at that, I believe that the company would want to see 50% more DECs each class.
Same with the FO classes, it will take a few months of major competition offering higher pay for people to stop coming here. Yes, flow is a marketing tool that works to an extent, but pay and QoL are important.
Talking about pay now is cheaper in the long run than scrambling when the classes start going unfilled. Lose the "there's no incentive" mindset. There is. Would it be higher should ual/dal announce flow? Definitely.
But waiting to see if the flow alone keeps the airline staffed is a gamble. I doubt it AAG would rely on gambling.
I believe that with the reserve times where they are in some of the bases/equipment, we are likely to see 12 day min off and other improvements before the pay goes up, but it will go up regardless.

100% besides I dont think flow is going to be much of an insentive in the near future. Alaska airlines is already removing the college degree requirement, would like to see what happens with other majors

I know of a guy hired at Southwest recently without his degree. The degree requirement is only reflective of how much or how little the majors and legacies need pilots. If they have less apps they lower the requirement etc.

And as for raises at the WOs, I wouldn’t count on it unless classes start going unfilled and/or attrition becomes unsustainable. AAG is smart, they’ve invested the money and now have effective programs in place to secure a pilot supply for their regionals so I would not expect classes to go unfilled.

Not to mention AAG is facing some stiff financial headwinds. When the economy hits its financial hiccup eventually AAG is not as well positioned to weather it as say Delta and UA. That doesn’t mean that we are at any real risk of furlough, but it could mean increased stagnation. Luckily with the retirements AA faces I don’t think they can stop classes. Either way it’s hard for leadership to justify raises for regional pilots to the BOD when profits are falling and classes are filled. Simple as that.

Who wants raises at the regionals when EVERY MAJOR is hiring?

I didn't realize you had to pick one or the other

Everyone cashing checks from regionals while waiting for majors to call.

Remember, Regionals are a stepping stone. 1-5yrs top. Not 15-30yrs.:rolleyes:

You really have either a short memory or no fundamental understanding of how this industry has worked historically, eh? One should always operate under the assumption that, at any time, external forces out of your control will stop movement. Go ask the 10+ year guys how long they expected to be at Eagle, and why they are still here. Go ask an XJT guy about the trajectory of their company, including getting abused by SkyWest. As professionals we should always be trying to get better terms. Anything less, as you suggest, sells the profession short. Things to ponder out there in NCE land...

One union seniority list, one master pay list. Anything else is a concession. There’s no reason a 5 year Eagle CA is a 1st year SkyWest CA. Plumbers have this crap figured out better than we do.

Being married to your airline is the root problem.