It’s not. It’s a long story from roughly 20 years ago when there were AA pilots that got furloughed after 9/11 that were flow backs to Eagle. That was part of the deal that allowed AMR to place jets at Eagle. That is long gone now. No flow back provisions in place today.

Often referred to as “Jets for Jobs”.

Thanks a lot for straightening me out regarding flow back (sounds like I misunderstood/miscommunicated somehow).

So what is perceived to be most likely ahead for the flow in next round of contract negotiations or other discussions of substance? (Less upward movement & harder to flow?? Or more upward movement & easier to flow in order to minimize WO’s compensation??)

I can’t speak for Piedmont or Envoy but I believe the flow at PSA is likely to increase. Mainly because our flow language lags our peer airlines and I believe that the company will use increased flow as a carrot in contractual negotiations in lieu of pay raises.

And once again you guys will vote yes.

I’m sure your group will be happy to give up SAP and any other positive QOL aspects of your contract for more flow and a fleet of 175’s.

That isn’t an untrue statement for some here. As it wouldn’t be an untrue statement for some at any airline.

For me there are some very specific things that would need to be addressed in order for me to vote Yes on a new TA. If any one of them isn’t there then I vote no regardless of flow potentially increasing.

For me increasing the flow isn't much of a carrot. Even a drastic increase wouldn’t really affect my time to AA in an incredibly appreciable amount because for every increase in the flow less pilots above me leave.

If the company wants me to give up my SAP, they’re going to have to both pay me and make my quality of life better. And I don’t think they see a reason to pay us more money right now so :o

Perhaps? This hypothetical TA is rumored to not even be released until summer 2019 at the earliest. If pilots feel like it addresses their wants and needs then they will vote Yes. If not, then no.

So if you’re implying that the pilot group at PSA will vote yes because that’s the way they voted for contract 2013 I think that’s a mischaracterization. Easily half of the current pilot group has no clue about the labor relations history here. And after 2018 ends there will be less than 100 pilots on property who even had the opportunity to vote on contract 2013. Of which many of lifers still here that I know of say they voted No on it.

You weren’t even a clever troll on APC back in 2013. And I wasn’t flying 121. This industry has changed a lot.

Yeah I agree. I’m an Envoy pilot but I think the hate towards PSA should end. Virtually none of their current group were even flying than lol let alone involved in that horrible decision. This would be like blaming my uncle for something our ancestors did 100 years ago, he had no part in it other than sharing a name.

What you guys do going forward however is yours to own.

You're right. I wasn't here back then but the story I was told by Captains here was that PSA screwed envoy by voting yes and getting all new CRJ's.