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Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2686341)

Yeah I agree. I’m an Envoy pilot but I think the hate towards PSA should end. Virtually none of their current group were even flying than lol let alone involved in that horrible decision. This would be like blaming my uncle for something our ancestors did 100 years ago, he had no part in it other than sharing a name.

What you guys do going forward however is yours to own.

They may not have voted yes on a ballot but those hires in 2014 and 15 sure did vote Yes with their feet. Their actions said we support that horrible decision.

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Originally Posted by moon (Post 2686358)

They may not have voted yes on a ballot but those hires in 2014 and 15 sure did vote Yes with their feet. Their actions said we support that horrible decision.

And I bet they went ahead of you on the flow to AA!

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Originally Posted by E175 Driver (Post 2686348)

You're right. I wasn't here back then but the story I was told by Captains here was that PSA screwed envoy by voting yes and getting all new CRJ's.

I’d be more concerned about them being at AA and willing to vote yes to scope relief personally.

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Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2686373)

I’d be more concerned about them being at AA and willing to vote yes to scope relief personally.

PSA pilot’s master plans have been uncovered!

:rolleyes:

...yea, you should DEFINITELY be worried about this.

Do some of you even think about what you’re saying? It’s hilariously dumb at times.

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Originally Posted by moon (Post 2686358)

They may not have voted yes on a ballot but those hires in 2014 and 15 sure did vote Yes with their feet. Their actions said we support that horrible decision.

I don’t think that is the logic people were using when they came to PSA in 2014 and 2015.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2686397)

Being more concerned about mainline pilots voting in scope relief during this next contract negotiation than something PSAs pilot group did 5 years ago is dumb? Okay, sure...

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Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2686341)

Amen
Filler

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Originally Posted by Otterbox (Post 2686416)

Being more concerned about mainline pilots voting in scope relief during this next contract negotiation than something PSAs pilot group did 5 years ago is dumb? Okay, sure...

Go reread the post I quoted. The poster was insinuating that PSA pilots would be in favor of scope relief.

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2686497)

Go reread the post I quoted. The poster was insinuating that PSA pilots would be in favor of scope relief.

The poster was referring to how easily members of your pilot group are swayed to benefit themselves even if it screws over other people. Those members will be flowing to AA and would vote for scope relief to benefit themselves even if it would screw over the entire industry. Your group has a history of being interested in only themselves so he or she has a point.

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Originally Posted by moon (Post 2686511)

The yes voters are already at AA. And to my knowledge none of them are actively negotiating anything on behalf of AA pilots. And now that they’re at AA, why would they magically start voting in concessions? As I stated above, I guess I’m just not seeing the logic in your statements.

You’re making blanket statements about our pilot group based on pilots that aren’t even here anymore. And the ones that are here are the same ones who would have just as happily gone to Envoy or Piedmont if the bases worked out in their favor. This industry is so completely different than it was 5+ years ago.

Regardless I don’t care if you have disdain towards PSA or its pilots and I certainly don’t blame you or any other Envoy pilot. PSA’s vote hurt Envoy pilots. But those who voted for that contract are mostly all gone to mainline or going to retire shortly. Keep espousing vitriol towards current PSA pilots all you want. Ultimately it’s counterproductive.