Because QOL is so night and day here depending on fleet, you have a lot of really unhappy people and a lot of people who really can't understand why, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by fenix1
(Post 2700569)
Good grief...
If you have any relevant input regarding the relative merits of ENY/PSA/PDT, then I’m all ears and grateful. Anyway. If you are employable outside the flow, then going to a WO that gets you on the line fastest is the best option. But if you aren't, then going to a WO with the fastest flow might be the way to go. For bases, Envoy is DFW/ORD/NYC/MIA, if you already are in DFW, that's obviously a huge plus. You might not get DFW immediately out of training, but you should get it within a few months - assuming you don't get the CRJ which is ORD only. PDT has CLT which is a nice place to live, and PSA has a few good ones, DAY and ORF come to mind. PDT takes forever to get through training currently, but is probably the fastest way to flow. The flow clock starts day 1 of indoc, and you'll run 6-8 months between indoc and IOE. PSA and Envoy don't have reported training delays, but Envoy has a risk of getting the CRJ which means you'll pretty much never fly, and the 145 reserve is long. PSA will get you a line the fastest, but as of now is the slowest flow. So, it comes down to the first question I asked - how likely are you to get hired outside the flow. If not very, then PDT is not a bad choice because you'd likely flow a year or two ahead of PSA. But if you are a strong candidate outside the flow, then PSA or Envoy with reservations could be the best choice. And the usual caveat, we are talking about the regional industry with a 6-10 year timespan, so all of these are moving targets. |
Thanks (filler)
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2700594)
Wow.
Anyway. If you are employable outside the flow, then going to a WO that gets you on the line fastest is the best option. But if you aren't, then going to a WO with the fastest flow might be the way to go. For bases, Envoy is DFW/ORD/NYC/MIA, if you already are in DFW, that's obviously a huge plus. You might not get DFW immediately out of training, but you should get it within a few months - assuming you don't get the CRJ which is ORD only. PDT has CLT which is a nice place to live, and PSA has a few good ones, DAY and ORF come to mind. PDT takes forever to get through training currently, but is probably the fastest way to flow. The flow clock starts day 1 of indoc, and you'll run 6-8 months between indoc and IOE. PSA and Envoy don't have reported training delays, but Envoy has a risk of getting the CRJ which means you'll pretty much never fly, and the 145 reserve is long. PSA will get you a line the fastest, but as of now is the slowest flow. So, it comes down to the first question I asked - how likely are you to get hired outside the flow. If not very, then PDT is not a bad choice because you'd likely flow a year or two ahead of PSA. But if you are a strong candidate outside the flow, then PSA or Envoy with reservations could be the best choice. And the usual caveat, we are talking about the regional industry with a 6-10 year timespan, so all of these are moving targets. |
Thanks - I’m getting a strong sense of that fact that ENY is almost 3 airlines in 1 and it’s the proverbial box of chocolates to sign the dotted line for most folks
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2700582)
Because QOL is so night and day here depending on fleet, you have a lot of really unhappy people and a lot of people who really can't understand why, unfortunately.
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Originally Posted by fenix1
(Post 2700727)
Thanks - I’m getting a strong sense of that fact that ENY is almost 3 airlines in 1 and it’s the proverbial box of chocolates to sign the dotted line for most folks
Just have a backup offer you would be ok with |
Originally Posted by havick206
(Post 2700731)
You can always resign as soon as you find out what equipment is up for grabs on Indoc day and go with another CJO
Just have a backup offer you would be ok with You'll also owe 5000 for the ATP CTP. |
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2700735)
Remember to give 2 weeks notice though. Otherwise you'll blacklist yourself from all WOs and AA.
You'll also owe 5000 for the ATP CTP. |
I wouldn’t necessarily feel right about doing this, but it may well be the right answer, all things considered
Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2700735)
Remember to give 2 weeks notice though. Otherwise you'll blacklist yourself from all WOs and AA.
You'll also owe 5000 for the ATP CTP. |
Originally Posted by fenix1
(Post 2700852)
I wouldn’t necessarily feel right about doing this, but it may well be the right answer, all things considered
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Originally Posted by fenix1
(Post 2700852)
I wouldn’t necessarily feel right about doing this, but it may well be the right answer, all things considered
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