Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2778769)

And our management puts it in late 2022. Somebody is lying, quite possibly both. :eek: :D

My guess - and it’s no more than that - is we get a Delta contract extension until the AA flying does go away, and then get sold lock, stock, and barrel to Republic, and Republic keeps the birds and the flying.

Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2778718)

Your understanding of that situation is slightly off. We did not accept concessions to then have AAG go ahead and send the planes elsewhere. The concessions didn't get voted in until AAG sent those planes to Compass. Those 20 planes were slated to come here in exchange for concessions demanded by the new AAG management (US Air). After already taking cuts during the AMR bankruptcy just a couple of years prior and seeing the looming pilot shortage, we as a pilot group thought it was ludicrous to take concessions. So concessions were voted down multiple times. AAG and namely Scott Kirby didn't appreciate that at all. So they gave us the middle finger and sent those 20 planes to the lowest bidder (Compass), started sending our CRJs to PSA (who started the race to the bottom by voting in concessions while us and other regionals voted no), and started sending our 145s to Trans States and ExpressJet. This was the beginning of a very dark time here which resulted in nearly half of our seniority list jumping ship.

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2778832)

Thanks for cleaning up the details. As I said, before my time.

Bottom line, those 20 planes should be at Envoy.

I know there are those that would argue they don’t want them now because that would be growth and is perceived to be bad for flow.

Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 2778769)

And our management puts it in late 2022. Somebody is lying, quite possibly both. :eek: :D

My guess - and it’s no more than that - is we get a Delta contract extension until the AA flying does go away, and then get sold lock, stock, and barrel to Republic, and Republic keeps the birds and the flying.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2779356)

It was a six year deal done in 2014, with options to extend. AAG will not extend the option.

I don’t think you’ll be bought at all. I think the AA planes come back, the Delta flying gets pulled back in house to keep upgrades going... and instead of being bought, forcing the new owner to pay high seniority wages, they’ll let it go bankrupt and pick the pieces off that they want for pennies on the dollar. They’ll offer preferential hiring and you get to recycle yourself as new hires saving the companies big bucks. buying it would be the expensive way.

Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2778877)

Your last sentence says it all. Who gives a sheeit if they're at Envoy or not? Has nothing to do with flow. The flow remains absolutely the same no matter how many planes we have. Flow doesn't change a bit regardless. What does matter is that it would be more planes to staff which means more crunch on staffing which is a QOL hit. More reason to abuse RSV pilots, JM, deny RSV swaps, deny PVDs/POs, deny drops, take a hit on lines etc...there are plenty of planes coming from the factory that they're already going to have to figure out how to staff. Those 20 planes coming here does nothing but harm their pilot group and our pilot group.

Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2777784)

You've never heard about SLI, have you?

Originally Posted by Phoenix21 (Post 2779472)

If those planes were at Envoy there’d be one less 175 carrier that AA uses to whipsaw you guys with... that should be enough motivation on its own.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2780517)

You never heard of just asset transfer have you. Envoy is not buying compass, if aag moves the planes to envoy there are no pilots involved. The 145 transferred back to envoy from tsh, did not come with pilots did they. Go back to facebook and get some more airline history experience.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2780797)

BigZ you should put that o2 mask away. No one ever state sli
except maybe you. You basically shown your ignorance to acquiring an airline or acquiring the assets the difference. You were trolling or are exactly what you indicate you are.

Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2781389)

Start another thread to spit ball.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2779356)

It was a six year deal done in 2014, with options to extend. AAG will not extend the option.

I don’t think you’ll be bought at all. I think the AA planes come back, the Delta flying gets pulled back in house to keep upgrades going... and instead of being bought, forcing the new owner to pay high seniority wages, they’ll let it go bankrupt and pick the pieces off that they want for pennies on the dollar. They’ll offer preferential hiring and you get to recycle yourself as new hires saving the companies big bucks. buying it would be the expensive way.

Originally Posted by BGD011 (Post 2791791)

What was Envoy pilot’s DOH in the last AA class?

Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2780730)

I said it in the Republic thread and I will say it here, Compass is a paper airline. They don’t own gates, slots, ground handling or airplanes. They have bodies. Why on earth would we want SLI when envoy could just hire them off the street at cheaper rates and not have to deal with contract negotiations? AAG isn’t as stupid as people think.

Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 2793535)

What does that make Envoy?
No owned planes
No owned gates
No owned terminal
No owned Ground Equipment (That's Envoy Ground Services)
No owned slots
No ticket sales in own name

I actually tried to get ALPA to argue that the Railway Labor Act did not apply to regionals since we were not real airlines. We are staffing companies. That the RLA was written at a time when the outsourced regional business model didn't even exist. For example, you couldn't go threaten an PanAm pilot to take concessions or we'll give your flying to TWA. ALPA actually liked that and began to research if it could have legs to help us in the bankruptcy to stop them from outsourcing the flying (changing the status-quo). They liked it right up until somebody correctly pointed out that while we may just be a training and staffing company.... it is a training & staffing company that holds and FAA Air Carrier Certificate. There ended that legal argument.