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dera 03-15-2019 07:26 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2783333)
Can you expand on that? I live in Little Rock so I can’t drive to any regional. What I like about GoJet is no reserve, 26k bonus the first year, upgrade around 13 months after IOE, and very short reserve for CA’s.

Envoy would be my choice if I knew I wasn’t gonna sit reserve for 8-12 months.

No reserve means short staffed, which means abuse, junior mans, extensions and other fantastic QOL enhancements.

AV8R72 03-15-2019 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2783337)
Everyone thinks “I just need some 121 time.” Unless you are one of the small group that adds diversity to the hiring pool, there is so much more to the equation. You need to consider QOL along the way.

So a year of reserve at Envoy is a better QOL than a year on the line at GoJet?

I like Envoy’s bases, non rev bennies, and of course the opportunity to eventually flow, but the reserve time makes me apprehensive

pitchattitude 03-15-2019 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2783333)
Can you expand on that? I live in Little Rock so I can’t drive to any regional. What I like about GoJet is no reserve, 26k bonus the first year, upgrade around 13 months after IOE, and very short reserve for CA’s.

Envoy would be my choice if I knew I wasn’t gonna sit reserve for 8-12 months.

Not that I want to guide you to ENY, but if you have to stay in LIT, ENY is a good choice for a commuter. About as high a chance as any to get ORD and both 145 and 175 are in ORD and DFW. DFW is probably even a better commute but longer to get.

What kind of commute are you going to have at GoJet? How quick can you get to ORD? Pretty sure everything else is going to be either two legs and or low density route.

dera 03-15-2019 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2783343)
Not that I want to guide you to ENY, but if you have to stay in LIT, ENY is a good choice for a commuter. About as high a chance as any to get ORD and both 145 and 175 are in ORD and DFW. DFW is probably even a better commute but longer to get.

What kind of commute are you going to have at GoJet? How quick can you get to ORD? Pretty sure everything else is going to be either two legs and or low density route.

Yeah, more own metal flights than I can count, checkin time based priority so you can see in advance if you're getting the JS or not. 40-50 minute flight. Almost like driving to work.

dera 03-15-2019 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2783342)
So a year of reserve at Envoy is a better QOL than a year on the line at GoJet?

I like Envoy’s bases, non rev bennies, and of course the opportunity to eventually flow, but the reserve time makes me apprehensive

You're making career decisions based on first 8-12 months of your career? That's insane.
No reserves means the lineholders are the reserve.

AV8R72 03-15-2019 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2783343)
Not that I want to guide you to ENY, but if you have to stay in LIT, ENY is a good choice for a commuter. About as high a chance as any to get ORD and both 145 and 175 are in ORD and DFW. DFW is probably even a better commute but longer to get.

What kind of commute are you going to have at GoJet? How quick can you get to ORD? Pretty sure everything else is going to be either two legs and or low density route.

They’re saying I should be able to hold ORD within 1-2 months after IOE

AV8R72 03-15-2019 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2783348)
You're making career decisions based on first 8-12 months of your career? That's insane.
No reserves means the lineholders are the reserve.

I did a spreadsheet and tried to balance money and time. Within 36 months I’ll be over 600 more 121 TPIC at GoJet than at Envoy and about 25k more money.

I know the pros and cons are more gay just what you can put on paper. It looks like I would reach 1000 121 TPIC almost a year earlier at GoJet

What am I missing?

pitchattitude 03-15-2019 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2783351)
I did a spreadsheet and tried to balance money and time. Within 36 months I’ll be over 600 more 121 TPIC at GoJet than at Envoy and about 25k more money.

I know the pros and cons are more gay just what you can put on paper. It looks like I would reach 1000 121 TPIC almost a year earlier at GoJet

What am I missing?

You need to be asking that question on the GoJet thread.

AV8R72 03-15-2019 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2783352)
You need to be asking that question on the GoJet thread.

The sky is falling at every regional on every post an APC. My friends at GoJet say they’re happy, but they may just want the referral bonus.

I’m coming over from being a military rotor guy, so what QOL issues do you guys say are the most important

dera 03-15-2019 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 2783351)
I did a spreadsheet and tried to balance money and time. Within 36 months I’ll be over 600 more 121 TPIC at GoJet than at Envoy and about 25k more money.

I know the pros and cons are more gay just what you can put on paper. It looks like I would reach 1000 121 TPIC almost a year earlier at GoJet

What am I missing?

Or you can get 175 at Envoy, fly a lot, and be ahead. Pick your poison. Envoy to ORD is a much easier commute, than GoJet to ORD.
Envoy will very likely still be running in 3-4 years. GoJet, who knows. It's not an airline, it's a staffing company.

600TPIC. Then what? You really believe 1000TPIC is when you will suddenly get a call from a major? That's not how it works.


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