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CO Jones 05-22-2019 10:58 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2820524)
The Ritz. Yeah. If you had said LaQuinta or Holiday Inn, it might have a little more cred.

He didn't say Ritz Carlton, but this one fits the bill https://theritzonberendo.bhprop.com/ or this one https://www.ritzapartmentliving.com/

pitchattitude 06-15-2019 01:39 PM

I guess Compass is going to get their contract renewed.

Envoy can’t staff those 20 planes from Compass and LAX now that they reneged on a pay increase.

UncreativeUser 06-15-2019 02:38 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2837302)
I guess Compass is going to get their contract renewed.



Envoy can’t staff those 20 planes from Compass and LAX now that they reneged on a pay increase.



Source?


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Soldier64 06-15-2019 03:11 PM

The company won’t need to pay us when the announce LAX. West coast folks will fill classes.

pitchattitude 06-15-2019 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2837334)
Source?


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You missed the point. Without a pay raise and Envoy having definitively said they won’t give a pay raise, there will be more people bail and fewer people come to Envoy. If AAG sees Envoy unable to staff, they are more likely to renew the Compass contract, or at least extend it.

UncreativeUser 06-15-2019 05:07 PM

Juicy LAX rumor
 

Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2837404)
You missed the point. Without a pay raise and Envoy having definitively said they won’t give a pay raise, there will be more people bail and fewer people come to Envoy. If AAG sees Envoy unable to staff, they are more likely to renew the Compass contract, or at least extend it.



That’s just negative thinking, but not an unrealistic thought. However I think for that to happen we are gonna have to go more than one class to be less than 10 pilots, right?


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pitchattitude 06-15-2019 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2837408)
That’s just negative thinking,


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Actually, that’s positive thinking. That Envoy has taken a step that defines their position as opposed to just doing nothing and kicking the can down the runway.

UncreativeUser 06-15-2019 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2837415)
Actually, that’s positive thinking. That Envoy has taken a step that defines their position as opposed to just doing nothing and kicking the can down the runway.



Sorry for some reason it only posted one sentence, I re-edited it.

It’s deflating for sure I agree with you on that.


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amcnd 06-15-2019 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Soldier64 (Post 2837345)
The company won’t need to pay us when the announce LAX. West coast folks will fill classes.

Exactly. Don’t underestimate the power of a shiny jet on the west coast... it got me back in 1998. Eagle Saab LAX base...

pitchattitude 06-15-2019 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Soldier64 (Post 2837345)
The company won’t need to pay us when the announce LAX. West coast folks will fill classes.

I have said this for some time, myself. But if AAG thinks Envoy can’t staff them, there will be no announcement.

Hopefully Envoy pulling out and shooting a blank will finally start to hurt recruitment.

Big C 06-24-2019 04:25 AM

The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.

pitchattitude 06-24-2019 04:36 AM


Originally Posted by Big C (Post 2842287)
The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.

Yeah. Been hearing that for the last six months or more. You pull his HI10?

buddies8 06-24-2019 04:38 AM

Actually if not wrong, the company cannot do that without posting a vacancy for it. Guess they can say it's a non active base and get around it. Or, as has been before, they select the one they want in the position then put a vacancy bid out to comply with rules.

Cyio 06-24-2019 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2842294)
Actually if not wrong, the company cannot do that without posting a vacancy for it. Guess they can say it's a non active base and get around it. Or, as has been before, they select the one they want in the position then put a vacancy bid out to comply with rules.

Yeah they have ways around this and it is done all the time with companies. You know the person you want, basically offer them the position and then throw a job posting up at the last minute giving people time to apply. Its just an HR checkbox that needs filled.

However, we have been hearing this forever and nothing has come of it so, I am skeptical. Honestly I hope I am very wrong.

Squirrel27 06-24-2019 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2842318)
Yeah they have ways around this and it is done all the time with companies. You know the person you want, basically offer them the position and then throw a job posting up at the last minute giving people time to apply. Its just an HR checkbox that needs filled.

However, we have been hearing this forever and nothing has come of it so, I am skeptical. Honestly I hope I am very wrong.

IF you are wrong, (and that's a big if), I hope we get the AIP before LA opens. Imagine the flood of new cadets we'll get from the west coast.

Cyio 06-24-2019 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by Squirrel27 (Post 2842323)
IF you are wrong, (and that's a big if), I hope we get the AIP before LA opens. Imagine the flood of new cadets we'll get from the west coast.

Yes we will get new applicants, but I think it would take awhile. Any new base would need 4-6 months of prep before even opening. If that held true, I think most that are ready to go 121 will be looking at Skywest for their immediate 121 job. Once we get LAX, I am confident the flood gates would open.

I agree though, the AIP needs to come first.

Squirrel27 06-24-2019 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2842334)
Yes we will get new applicants, but I think it would take awhile. Any new base would need 4-6 months of prep before even opening. If that held true, I think most that are ready to go 121 will be looking at Skywest for their immediate 121 job. Once we get LAX, I am confident the flood gates would open.

I agree though, the AIP needs to come first.

I was pretty new when MIA reopened and don't remember; how long after it was announced was our first flying there? 4-6 months? Same with NY before that?

Did they do a special vacancy bid for it? Or if they announced LA tomorrow, would the bid for it likely be 3 months from now in the "regularly scheduled" vacancy?

dera 06-24-2019 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Big C (Post 2842287)
The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.

That guy has been telling that same story for a long time.

rld1k 06-24-2019 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by Big C (Post 2842287)
The CA im flying with interviewed last week and was hired for the LAX chief pilot position. He comes off the line next week to begin some sort of training in DFW.

Stop spreading the rumor it's BS

Cyio 06-24-2019 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by Squirrel27 (Post 2842338)
I was pretty new when MIA reopened and don't remember; how long after it was announced was our first flying there? 4-6 months? Same with NY before that?

Did they do a special vacancy bid for it? Or if they announced LA tomorrow, would the bid for it likely be 3 months from now in the "regularly scheduled" vacancy?

There would be vacancy. Again this has been a rumor now for nearly three years, so I wouldn't get to excited just yet. However, I wouldn't be blown over if they announced it. I have heard for some time that they announcement would come in July, so we shall see.

chrisreedrules 06-24-2019 10:27 AM

Summer 2020. Envoy LAX. PSA DFW.

MD-11Loader 06-24-2019 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2842505)
Summer 2020. Envoy LAX. PSA DFW.

Can’t wait for lavstreak to try and come into our crewroom. Hope the find you somewhere by B3 so we aren’t anywhere near you all.

Cyio 06-24-2019 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2842549)
Can’t wait for lavstreak to try and come into our crewroom. Hope the find you somewhere by B3 so we aren’t anywhere near you all.

Your not DFW based anyway, so thankfully won’t have to deal with them. Lol

MD-11Loader 06-24-2019 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2842647)
Your not DFW based anyway, so thankfully won’t have to deal with them. Lol

I feel like I am. I spend enough time sitting around there lately because of the weather and weird schedules.

chrisreedrules 06-24-2019 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by MD-11Loader (Post 2842549)
Can’t wait for lavstreak to try and come into our crewroom. Hope the find you somewhere by B3 so we aren’t anywhere near you all.

I believe it’s pronounced Brownstreak...

UnprotectdPilot 07-25-2019 02:16 PM

When does AAG's 175 flying with Compass expire? You know, for LAX rumor stuff and reasons.

buddies8 07-25-2019 02:40 PM

They way things expire here, never.
Republic and skywest are still here and growing every month. Compass is safe with those airplanes. Rumor is rumor, just to entice rookies.

Delta757Fan 08-06-2019 04:17 PM

As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

bORD 08-06-2019 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Delta757Fan (Post 2866059)
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

No.

Filler

smtx123 08-06-2019 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Delta757Fan (Post 2866059)
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

We have an individual here that goes around and says it to everyone. Nothing to back it up with.

BigZ 08-06-2019 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by smtx123 (Post 2866066)
We have an individual here that goes around and says it to everyone. Nothing to back it up with.

Heard there's more than one now

bigtime209 08-06-2019 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by Delta757Fan (Post 2866059)
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

Even if there was a CP hired for LAX, that information would be kept completely confidential under an NDA. The DFW based CA going around telling everyone that he comes in contact with that he's been hired as the LAX CP is full of excrement. Now, having said that, there have been members of management here that have straight up said that AAG will in fact be transferring the 20 planes at Compass to Envoy. Personally, I won't believe it until I see it.

pitchattitude 08-06-2019 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by bigtime209 (Post 2866134)
Even if there was a CP hired for LAX, that information would be kept completely confidential under an NDA. The DFW based CA going around telling everyone that he comes in contact with that he's been hired as the LAX CP is full of excrement. Now, having said that, there have been members of management here that have straight up said that AAG will in fact be transferring the 20 planes at Compass to Envoy. Personally, I won't believe it until I see it.

Take it for what it’s worth. RN said the end of the Compass contract is sometime early next year and roughly corresponds to the time when we finish taking our current new 175s. He said probably 80% likely to get the planes, but doesn’t necessarily mean we get LAX back.

Envoy getting those 20 planes back also correlates with what AAG has said about wanting to deal with fewer regionals and have them more significant in size. I believe Compass is the smallest contract AAG has. It also follows with Compass being exclusively a Delta Connection.

It’s not like they would come all at once. Compass probably got them about two a month and they would probably come off contract the same way so it wouldn’t be a big hit to either company.

But, all that makes way too much sense. I’m not holding my breath or losing any sleep over it.

dera 08-06-2019 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by Delta757Fan (Post 2866059)
As a CP employee, any truth to the rumor that Envoy already hired/picked a chief pilot for LAX?

The person who keeps telling that story will never be hired to any sort of management position. So no truth to that rumor.

Wishing you guys all the best.

ENH017 08-06-2019 07:01 PM

How much of a advance warning was there before MIA reopened? I would have to imagine the company has a "break in case of LAX base openening" box stashed somewhere.

pitchattitude 08-06-2019 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by ENH017 (Post 2866172)
How much of a advance warning was there before MIA reopened? I would have to imagine the company has a "break in case of LAX base openening" box stashed somewhere.

I think it was only about sixty days. Envoy and the union wants more but AAG holds the cards here.

Pretty sure if anyplace has a contingency plan for opening it is certainly LAX.

BigZ 08-06-2019 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2866141)
It also follows with Compass being exclusively a Delta Connection.

I'm gonna guess you weren't following the news today

pitchattitude 08-06-2019 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 2866202)
I'm gonna guess you weren't following the news today

No. Do tell.

dera 08-06-2019 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2866225)
No. Do tell.

I think he is referring to the fact that Delta kicked Compass out today.

Propeller 08-06-2019 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2866225)
No. Do tell.

Have a look over at the Compass and GoJet forums. Delta is consolidating their regionals.


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