Just looked it up. Ouch. I guess that explains why someone from Compass is more concerned about losing AA flying as well.

I guess Delta has decided what AAG has that its better to have fewer large regionals than a bunch of little ones.

Envoy FOs excited about the compass news be like-

https://i.imgflip.com/37h4fz.jpg

Actually, no. The planes Compass flies for Delta have no bearing on what happens at Envoy.

Yep I don't think the guy in the picture gets that ;)

LAX is inevitably at this point for us, Compass is just a staffing company now. Which, as someone from MSP, that is really sad for me to say since I wanted to works for Compass, it’s too bad management is running the place into the ground.


Quit while you’re ahead on this one Bobby, I do enjoy the memes as always though!

Thanks man! I agree, actually. I got a couple opportunities this month, hopefully I'll be gone. All the best to the envoy guys as well!

Thanks as well bro! Good luck in the opportunities, you guys deserve the best right now.


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Excellent. Good luck BLS!

What do you think envoy is? The planes were all transferred from our ownership a long time ago. We just happen to have AAG above us supplying us with flying.

If you look at aag practice, they have at least two different regional per hub.
So with if aa takes compass flying back and skw still in lax for aa it does leave an opening for a second regional in lax, the question is just who will it be.
Personally if envoy is in equation I would expect flying through lax more than a base there. If mesa cuts a deal with aa, mesa would be an option for aa in lax.
Just like everything in the regional industry, discuss all you want, no one will know until it's made public by mainline. There are at least 2 years to go for a decision on the lax rumor mill.

That would make us a staffing company completely owned by a major. That’s better than NOT being dependent on contracts if your not Skywest or Republic


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So....LAX?

Check back on Weds .

Should we be excited?

Why do so many people want LAX so bad? Almost everyone (who will flow) and was hired when LAX was a base at Envoy has left. The major problem we have as pilots at this airline is our sh*t quality of life. And what does the company say every time we ask for improvements? “No because classes are full.” LAX would just add a gigantic pool of new applicants for recruiting to pick from. Rumor is PSA is coming to DFW which could seriously hurt recruiting at Envoy as we will no longer be the best option in DFW with flow. Now you are wanting a new base? Why? We have a slim chance to actually get back some of the leverage we have squandered away as of recent. And if you came here just because you heard the rumor that LAX was coming back, then I have no sympathy. Who else does that leave? You guys just want overnights on the west coast? Please enlighten me on why the LAX base is your white buffalo.

Some of us do actually live on the west coast...not really a hard concept to grasp. I understand your point about why you don’t want it to open but the reason people would want it is pretty obvious

I’m not saying there are people who don’t live there, but maybe a few too many folks who lived two time zones away from the nearest domicile, came to work for a company with no evidence to believe that would ever change. Like I said, I feel sorry for those who started working here and who lived on the west coast only to have LAX close on them as I know a couple of them personally

I agree if someone came to Envoy because they believed LAX was inevitable, they made a mistake. I made the choice to come to Envoy knowing my commute would suck but LAX opening would be great for me personally. Not necessarily the best thing for the pilot group.

I agree, and have said for some time, that if Envoy gets LAX it will be a huge recruiting boost. Part of the reason that a lot of people want LAX is the obvious, but not just west coast, but Rockies and west. And everyone thinks it will come with more 175s. And the reality is that all the people who flock to LAX will increase relative seniority in DFW and ORD for everyone who stays there.

The other thing is for people who are preaching flow, after the 10-11 crowd, flow is tied to number of people on the seniority list. It’s a Ponzi scheme. Get people in underneath you so you can get pushed out.

I was LAX based for Eagle. I can see why people want it back. It was one of the starting points. Best time of my life LAX Saab flying...

Nada......

FA said there’s a big announcement this Friday.

They tell you they heard it from the internet on APC? 🤣

I may have flown with you. I was a Saab CA at LAX from late ‘98 to early ‘02, then back again as a EMB145 CA from late 2003 to early 2012.

Yep i was there as a FO from 99-01 in the Saab.

If compass doesn’t end up getting more flying soon, then this juicy rumor will become a reality. It won’t be viable for compass to sustain a 20 airplane operation.

Have they given you guys any other updates on the supposed new flying partnership?

Very true. Similarly, they may HAVE to give it up due to scope issues in order to become the cadre for Moxy.


Aren’t APC rumors fun? :D

I'll go they low ball everyone to aag and have contract extended plus add 10 e175's. Why, because aag is a shi+ corporation.

Vaporware so far....

Nothing

Filler

We didn't want the pay raise. They forced it on us.

There pay is higher than ours on e175. Were still bottom feeder at envoy.

Is this still a thing?

Someone bumped the LAX thread, LAX base confirmed

Neider told my upgrade group that he is about 90% certain that we will get the compass planes, but does not think we will get the base. He believes that skywest will get LAX. He also stated that he only anticipates growing the airline by about 150 next year. So current level plus 150.

I just don't think we're doing the hiring needed to open a base. Class 3 weeks ago had 17 people in it.

A west coast base announcement would help recruiting. Management is smart.

Rumors of west coast base helps recruiting. Mic Drop.

It would make sense for AAG to shuffle the regional feed and give LAX to SkyWest. 20 more planes spread between DFW and ORD could improve the flight file.

If Envoy is on track to hire its fly goal for 2019, then I can see why they would be ok with a small class here and there. The last class was a normal size.

There’s also the possibility of us doing through flying in LAX, just no base, like the CRJ years ago.

When they say add 150, if you take into account normal attrition and flow, then that’s still around 4-500 pilots needed next year.