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If you flow.
Pilots hired today are not guaranteed to flow. |
Originally Posted by Varsity
(Post 2812127)
If you flow.
Pilots hired today are not guaranteed to flow. |
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
(Post 2812096)
This hasn’t been my experience at all. From the salty guys who are projected to flow within a year and get their top pick of lines to the commuting-to-rsv direct entry captains, everyone is fairly cynical. Most are still highly professional and never take it out on the passengers, but wait until you’re on a flight that makes a very questionably necessary diversion to the CA’s commuter city...
Or even just digs their heels in, causes a delay on the ground, and makes you write an M51 blaming everyone but themselves, then goes .64 when they finally do get airborne to force missed connections - not for the crew, but on the customers. Stuff like this sure knocks the wind out of your sails. I bet it doesn’t happen at Endeavor for example, where people are mostly happy. If you’d told me I’d see crap like this at Envoy a year and a half ago I’d have called you a liar to your face. Maybe things are different on the 175 side, most things are. That’s funny cause the Endeavor guys are complaining about Delta trying change in their block out rules now. I’ve yet to experience it, maybe cause I’m in the 175. But multiple friends who are on the 145 still love flying that jet and are having a blast. However with that being said the wind does get knocked when you are on reserve and junior, but that’s anywhere. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by skyemiles2
(Post 2812135)
Can you elaborate on that, please? I know not to listen to recruiters, but this is certainly one of the big selling points.
Keep your nose clean you should be fine. Thy being said step letters are being handed out like candy. |
Originally Posted by skyemiles2
(Post 2812135)
Can you elaborate on that, please? I know not to listen to recruiters, but this is certainly one of the big selling points.
After that, flow is just cause management feels like it. That’s it. Anytime Envoy can’t staff, they can “meter it” aka stop it or slow it down. Anytime they don’t like a certain pilot, they can withhold him from flowing. A letter in your file will keep you from flowing. I know someone with a letter in their file just for passing paperwork through the airplane window at ORD. This regional airline is absolutely as punitive as it possibly gets in this industry. Managers behave like prison wardens at a for-profit prison. The longer they keep you here, the bigger their ‘atta-boy’ bonus. |
Step Letters
How long are step letters kept in the file, or is it varied based on severity of infraction? Or do you have to have a sit down and negotiate it being removed after some time? Either way, sounds like a PITA.
Unbelievable. What a terrible management tactic; so stupid. That in itself would be a tick in the column to not come here.:confused: |
Originally Posted by Varsity
(Post 2812151)
The only pilots contractually protected to flow are the 824 and protected pilots. Basically everyone hired before 10/2014.
After that, flow is just cause management feels like it. That’s it. Anytime Envoy can’t staff, they can “meter it” aka stop it or slow it down. Anytime they don’t like a certain pilot, they can withhold him from flowing. A letter in your file will keep you from flowing. I know someone with a letter in their file just for passing paperwork through the airplane window at ORD. This regional airline is absolutely as punitive as it possibly gets in this industry. Managers behave like prison wardens at a for-profit prison. The longer they keep you here, the bigger their ‘atta-boy’ bonus. It sounds like some of the 135s with training contracts, honestly. There’s no incentive for anything to be fixed as long as people keep signing up for it. Do you enjoy your jobs and coworkers enough to offset some of this negativity? The people are absolutely what make my current gig. Lots of other things suck, but the people are amazing. |
Originally Posted by skyemiles2
(Post 2812164)
Is there a reason that an AA wholly-owned regional would be incentivized to *not* provide pilots to AA? Adjusting flow based off of needs at both makes sense, but purposefully slowing down or keeping people there doesn’t really. (Again, not that everything is logical, but I’m just trying to understand what I’d be getting into...)
It sounds like some of the 135s with training contracts, honestly. There’s no incentive for anything to be fixed as long as people keep signing up for it. Keep in mind this is the same company that FIRED two pilots for turning left instead of right and then correcting it when advised by atc. Totally smoked their careers over a wrong turn. Do you really want to work for someone like that? |
Is it step letter > no flow
Or Step letter > management has the option to not flow you |
Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
(Post 2812171)
Is it step letter > no flow
Or Step letter > management has the option to not flow you |
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