Would you recommend flying for Envoy?
 

I've still got a couple years of training and flight instructing left to do, but i'm currently comparing Envoy and Skywest as potential airlines to start out with. The Skywest forum seems pretty positive overall, the Envoy forum on the other hand... not so much. So, Envoy pilots, would you recommend flying here?

Honestly come back and ask in two years when you’re ready to make the move.

So much is changing so quickly that it’s impossible to give any advice that far out.

Fair enough, what would you say about how things sit right now?

They are ok. I was in your position a few years ago and I still think Envoy is better, so much that I commute from MSP. They have pay rules that aren’t as good despite the higher pay rate and I believe they think it’s normal so they are happy go lucky as ever.


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Go wherever you can get hired and not have to commute. Best part about envoy is the travel benefits. If you don’t plan on usuing them a bunch then there are better paying airlines to go to.

You want to enlighten us about how Skywest has worse pay rules? You mean like having 4:12 MDG, 1:2 duty rigs, 1:4 trip rigs, 76 hour monthly guarantee, 130% over 87 hours awarded, $1.95 per diem, holiday pay even if we don’t work the holiday, pilot profit sharing, performance bonuses, and company profit sharing? You mean those pay rules???

Hi. Honestly, anything could change in 2 years. We could go from being tied for last place in regional compensation to being among the best in that time. A lot of career oriented guys want to act like compensation doesn’t matter, and to me there are more important things, but when you are looking at your $2400/mo take home and comparing it to a SKYW guys $5600 (both 2nd YR FOs) it is very demoralizing. If Iwere asked to decide today about where to go, Envoy would not even make my top 5.

Besides that, there’s the fact that our management is actively contemptuous of us. Like they legitimately hate their pilots. Not a healthy environment at all, and the symptoms continue to stack up.

If you live in DFW or MIA area then I’d go to Envoy. If not then I’d put Endeavor or RAH at the top of the list. SkyWest has some good qualities but honestly I have some serious reservations about flying withou union protection. As much as I dislike union politics it’s worth the 1-2% to know you have to really screw up before you get fired and have a negative mark on your record.

Lol skywest pilots are always seething when met with non koolaid drinkers

So he make an uneducated statement about pay rules and I pointed out the facts and that makes me a “koolade drinker” lol whatever makes you feel better about your crap pay bud. Envoy has way worse pay rules than Skywest. Just keep gulping down that good ole flow koolade. How did those reserve negotiations end up? How are the contract negotiations going at Envoy? You guys just keep taking it and beg for more just to keep the flow train rolling.