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New PSA Pilot Pay Agreement

Old 04-04-2019 | 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyyGuyy
Don't forget that there's basically nobody left at PSA who could have voted back in 2013... The pilot group is entirely new.
Dude this is internet. Don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by havick206
Paraphrasing from a reliable source;

- Signing bonus is for new hires replacing the current NH bonus. It doesn’t apply to current pilots agreeing to the LOA.

- LOA allows PSA to deliberately over-schedule the training center in case of washouts/unseats.

This shook out like so;

PSA MEC was approached by their management a short time ago and were forced to sign NDA’s before being shown the proposed agreement. Their MEC met a week later and were also forced to sign NDA’s. It appears that ALPA National was not informed of the developments until it went public.

Here’s the most important part;

It’s no accident that AAG dropped this on PSA first. Trying this with all 3 WO’s at once would have encouraged pattern bargaining. They wanted to set the bar low to prevent anyone from negotiating add-ons based on PSA’s history.
Maybe no 2013 pilots are at PSA but those who jumped at the opportunity to ride the PSA wagon are still there and they were there in September of 2016 also when we should have gotten these raises but PSA jumped at a bad deal then to set the bar for the other WOs for years to come. So I think your statement has some merit. Happy the pay is going up over there hopefully to be followed shortly by us and PDT but I hope the PSAers still realize there's a long way to go to get credibility back in mine and many many envoy pilots eyes.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by moon
I hope the PSAers still realize there's a long way to go to get credibility back in mine and many many envoy pilots eyes.
Thought about, still couldn't care less about my credibility in your eyes... I'm not impressed by your vitriol nor do I seek your validation. Go start a thread slamming your coworker and resident youtuber. Stay classy Envoy.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Throwitaway
Thought about, still couldn't care less about my credibility in your eyes... I'm not impressed by your vitriol nor do I seek your validation. Go start a thread slamming your coworker and resident youtuber. Stay classy Envoy.
Good for you. Never thought PSA cared about credibility anyway so not too surprised. Enjoy the pay rates.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Throwitaway
Thought about, still couldn't care less about my credibility in your eyes... I'm not impressed by your vitriol nor do I seek your validation. Go start a thread slamming your coworker and resident youtuber. Stay classy Envoy.
Not sure how long you have been at PSA so in all fairness you could be innocent to the whole issue, however those that chose the concessions back in the day literally detailed the industry and set it back. In addition it directly ****ed Envoy pilots as they just rejected the same deal. While I wasn’t around for it to directly affect me, I think it is short sided to just expect everyone to forget it and move on.

Wounds take time to heal and trust, once lost takes even longer to earn back. I am happy for the people at PSA and happy another group of pilots received the compensation they deserve. Well done.

Here’s hoping the rest of us see it.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Not sure how long you have been at PSA so in all fairness you could be innocent to the whole issue, however those that chose the concessions back in the day literally detailed the industry and set it back. In addition it directly ****ed Envoy pilots as they just rejected the same deal. While I wasn’t around for it to directly affect me, I think it is short sided to just expect everyone to forget it and move on.

Wounds take time to heal and trust, once lost takes even longer to earn back. I am happy for the people at PSA and happy another group of pilots received the compensation they deserve. Well done.

Here’s hoping the rest of us see it.
The recent PSA deal on pay remind me of the simpsons episode where Mr Burns offers the nuclear inspectors a new washing machine or what’s in the mystery box.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Throwitaway
Thought about, still couldn't care less about my credibility in your eyes... I'm not impressed by your vitriol nor do I seek your validation. Go start a thread slamming your coworker and resident youtuber. Stay classy Envoy.
I love that you guys just essentially sold SAP out.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I love that you guys just essentially sold SAP out.
Uhhh what? How do you figure?
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Old 04-04-2019 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I love that you guys just essentially sold SAP out.

You've been woefully misinformed.
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Old 04-04-2019 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by MD-11Loader
I love that you guys just essentially sold SAP out.
This is funny..... we didn’t sell anything and that’s why it’s so surprising to be honest... but good try. No negotiating power has been given away very fortunately. Thanks for your concern though.
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