I originally thought he/she was just a new hire that couldn't see the writing on the wall. After the posts they have made these last few days, they clearly are working for the company some how, just want to get reactions out of people, or completely and utterly clueless. I am not sure which is worse to be honest.

I haven't seen this level of anti pilot talk since cr700 or whatever that user was. Who knows, maybe the same person just under a different name now.

What gives you away is that if you are a pilot working the line, you would never fight increases in qol, pay etc because "you never worked a real job".

The poster above has it right. While we may only work 15 days a month, we are away from home those days vs someone working m-f gets to see their family every night. Not to mention, we are only paid when flying so sitting there doing walk arounds, waiting on a late airplane, waiting on maintenance all go unpaid.

Anyway, I would just ignore Dera if it wasn't for my need to make sure the company line isn't towed constantly around here by them.

Maybe even both?

Unbiased here, but dera has had a lot of facts to back up. His talk about OT literally cause someone else to say to say PSA gets 200% when that’s clearly wrong.

That cr700 person was for sure with the company considering he/she would always say things like “industry leading flow” instead of flow.

Dera doesn’t talk like that, she/he is stating facts but these facts are coming from a DFW 175 point of view, the highest QOL potential in the entire company. Throw in the fact he/she lives in base and now you have the absolute best QOL possible here.

My biggest concern is the QUALITY of applicants. It’s only a matter of time before cadets and good RTP guys/gals start to get watered down. I’d like to be prideful of this company but I hope management starts to show its pride in us back because looking at AirPortal, we all do a pretty great job at all our bases and aircraft.

We need more than just a thanks. Normally, I’d be fine with that if my union-less friends didn’t operate the exact same equipment I do and get paid more for it.


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These are some or the reasons people are irritated with them. It would seem that they are at times actively trying to push back against improvements because they have had an OK time.

The person has zero empathy for the fact that over 60% our workforce are commuters, MOST not by choice. They like to spout off things like 1 step letter in all of DFW as if they actually know what they are talking about. Its all nonsense that does nothing but hurt the rest of the pilot group while defending some of the actions of the company.

Thats the issue.

I see, I do agree with you on the lack of empathy due to his geographical upbringing (can’t fault him for that), yes a good chunk of commuters work here and since we only have 4 bases it’s kinda hard to uproot and move. I am doing that myself soon anyways but as a commuter right now it can get pretty rough.

With that said, being on the line I’ve never even heard of a step letter until this point so it must not be as common unless I’m not around the action. I know rumors can be spread too so I’m a “believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see” kind of person.

This company needs improvement, but it’s not the worst and does some things right. That’s where the OK attitude comes from. From the time at least when I applied however, Envoy was and (maybe still is) considered a tier 1 regional to work for. We still have all the wonderful American Eagle guys and girls here that provide terrific insight that inspire me to be the best pilot I can and they deserve better too.

My point, we need to make something happen and show that we are and can be the best regional in the world. Whether that will last for years or a day something needs to happen, we have to be competitive or our pilot group will suffer on quality pretty quickly and captains are going to have to babysit.




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There is no way for joe line pilot to gather data about step letters. However, it is widely understood that they’re easier to get in Chicago or NY.

Idk about Dera. I think he is just a contrarian and whatever most people are saying, he’ll be saying the opposite.

I do personally know of at least two people with step letters in DFW. One guy told me about his. He deserved it. He was out of the country while on reserve. The other guy I know nothing about but was with the union rep while he was on the phone. But yes, my experience with KC and the rest of the CPO in DFW has been very positive. They are quite reasonable. That being said, he is headed to the training center in June so not sure who is taking over and no way to know how things will be going forward.

I doubt many people go about telling everyone they fly with that they have a step letter. I don't think I would tell anyone unless there was a reason to tell them.

...yet everyone knows they are being given out like candy and you will never flow because you can't avoid them...

You see the conflict here?

I've said so many times it's getting old, my comments are 100% from live-in-base 175 FO point of view. They don't extend outside that scope.

I didn't say "1 step letter in all of DFW", read again, slowly, if you have hard time understanding what I said. I said I know of one, and he deserved it. If you ask around you'll find out, that most people really don't know anyone with one either. They are NOT handed out like candy like some people here claim, at least not in DFW.
And you really think my comments here affect the company in any meaningful way? You guys really have some serious delusions of grandeur - There's what, less than 1% of the pilot group who actually post here. The only reason why I bother is because you guys just spew your alternate facts trying to make it sound worse than it is.
Sometimes it's like watching a Trump press conference, in slow motion, on repeat.

Reality and facts is what people should stick with. I at least try, yeah sometimes I miss a few things, but at least try. Maybe you should try the same for a change.