Envoy from ACMI
05-27-2019 | 06:25 AM
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I’m at an ACMI with a 16/14 schedule and looking to move to something with a more livable schedule for a family. Out of all the AA wholly owned, it looks like Envoy has the best flow through. I have around 600 hrs 121 time and I’d like the Miami base if I come to Envoy. How long are reserve times from DOH for captains in Miami or Dallas? I like the idea of working for PSA, Piedmont or Envoy. I can live in Charlotte or Miami. Any recommendations based on historic and current conditions?
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You'll make significangtly more, have better scheduling (look up their "SAP" or Schedule Adjustment Period), and can live in Charlotte. It'll take you a long time to get Miami as a captain...
05-27-2019 | 10:26 AM
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Yea aim for mainline, then JB, Spirit, etc.. If for some reason you're dead set on AA w/o then go to PSA for pay and qol. As stated on other threads, they have better rates and make out even better in other areas that have them crediting way more hours than a typical Envoy pilot. Don't come here for MIA either. It's fairly senior for the most part and not going to see any significant growth. You might get there but you'll be reserve on the 145 until you can find a better job.
05-27-2019 | 10:47 AM
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If you wanna talk Major airlines, all of those listed are “Majors”. That being said, Envoy also qualifies as a “Major” based on revenue....all the more reason Envoy pilots are way underpaid.
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05-27-2019 | 11:07 AM
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No...no they’re not. To be a mainline carrier you require affiliated regional carriers. The above listed airlines are low cost carriers.
If you wanna talk Major airlines, all of those listed are “Majors”. That being said, Envoy also qualifies as a “Major” based on revenue....all the more reason Envoy pilots are way underpaid.
If you wanna talk Major airlines, all of those listed are “Majors”. That being said, Envoy also qualifies as a “Major” based on revenue....all the more reason Envoy pilots are way underpaid.
05-27-2019 | 12:45 PM
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No...no they’re not. To be a mainline carrier you require affiliated regional carriers. The above listed airlines are low cost carriers.
If you wanna talk Major airlines, all of those listed are “Majors”. That being said, Envoy also qualifies as a “Major” based on revenue....all the more reason Envoy pilots are way underpaid.
If you wanna talk Major airlines, all of those listed are “Majors”. That being said, Envoy also qualifies as a “Major” based on revenue....all the more reason Envoy pilots are way underpaid.
05-27-2019 | 12:48 PM
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You require a regional affiliate in order to be considered a mainline carrier ? Lmao that might be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted on this website and that is saying alot . A "LCC" is just a classification of a major , same as "legacy" . Alaska airlines is classified as a legacy because they were around before deregulation. It's really as simple as that .
05-27-2019 | 01:14 PM
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05-27-2019 | 02:03 PM
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Again, and I’ll type slooooow. Look up the definition of a ”Major Airline”. The DOT's Bureau of Transportation Statistics as well as 14 CFR 241, Section 4, "Air Carrier Groupings" both identify Majors as carriers having annual operating revenues exceeding $1,000,000,000. It’s a game of semantics clearly, but since you started it, I figured the facts should be used. Clearly this all started because you initially took offense to Spirit, Frontier, or whoever not being called “Mainline.” I’m done arguing with you, enjoy your time at Frontier or whatever LCC you work for.
05-27-2019 | 02:15 PM
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Again, and I’ll type slooooow. Look up the definition of a ”Major Airline”. The DOT's Bureau of Transportation Statistics as well as 14 CFR 241, Section 4, "Air Carrier Groupings" both identify Majors as carriers having annual operating revenues exceeding $1,000,000,000. It’s a game of semantics clearly, but since you started it, I figured the facts should be used. Clearly this all started because you initially took offense to Spirit, Frontier, or whoever not being called “Mainline.” I’m done arguing with you, enjoy your time at Frontier or whatever LCC you work for.
05-27-2019 | 02:29 PM
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Oh don’t get me wrong, Envoy is a regional. It’s a very sad, underpaid regional at that. That being said, this regional has revenues in excess of one Billion (that’s with a B) per year. That revenue is just another reason that this pilot group is underpaid. Should have known you’d come crawling out from underneath your LCC rock to say something.
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