Yeah WTF Envoy MEC ... but good news everybody now they feel the need for an explanation of why they stink so much ...

This is getting embarrassing.

I don't really lay this at the feet of our MEC. Last time I personally talked to someone on the negotiating committee (pretty recent), the company hadn't really been open to anything ANYONE here would accept.

It's like management needs to see this place burn a little before they see the light.

Then why suddenly so defensive ... I don't buy it ... maybe we need people to negotiate that are not afraid to raise a stink aka worry about their flow.

It is not that simple. I have met guys from the negotiations MEC. They honestly work hard for us. Negotiations take time and we all need to be united. Turning our backs on our union would be like shooting ourselves in the foot.

We will win this fight, there is NO WAY in this kind of pilot hiring climate that Envoy will keep up running its operation smoothly. I will standby and await for my unions instructions. In the mean time, i show up, fly my contract and go home as soon as the last passenger deboards.

Dont get me wrong, I too feel frustrated. I really hope prospective envoy pilots read this forums and understand this is not the time to come here. Wait til we are paid what we deserve. You will be thanking yourselves in the future.

UNITY!

I agree with you that it's somewhere in the middle. I think most people think it's somewhere in the middle. But there's a lot of space in that middle.

The way I see it, while ALPA's projection of a 9 year flow is a little on the pessimistic side, it's possible. I can't even fathom how the company comes up their projection of 6 years... seems almost impossible. And given that almost all non-flow attrition is extremely junior, I think new hires TODAY are looking at an 8 year flow at best.

And all that assumes that AA continues to hire like bananas for the next decade. Flow is connected to hiring numbers so if AA stops hiring, so does flow.

Remember, the likelihood of pop up thunderstorms exponentially increases in the summers. AOM 1 requires that when taxiways are slippery or wet that we taxi on two engines. May cost the company more than $15/hour for fuel, but one can’t put a price on safety.

Frustrating


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Amen. Everything i do in our flight deck is within the companies rules and in the interest of safety. I hope i dont have to start flying EXTRA safe.

Who's being 'so defensive'? Did I miss something? I read the email from today and it is pretty consistent with what I heard directly from a negotiating committee member. Company is not being realistic. They are not even in the right ballpark.